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State of Opinion on Brexit

• Many participants treat Brexit as clearly harmful; debate is over how bad, not whether.
• Several note a social and political taboo around revisiting or reversing it, despite polls suggesting a majority now see it as a mistake.
• Some still defend Brexit as an idea but blame “botched implementation” or argue “real Brexit” was never delivered.
• A minority defend it on sovereignty/identity grounds even if it’s economically worse, and say those motives should be respected as such.

Economy, Estimates, and Competence

• The linked study (and related NBER paper) claiming a 6–8% GDP hit is cited as confirmation of serious damage.
• Others emphasize the uncertainty in counterfactual estimates and say the UK hasn’t obviously underperformed all peers.
• A recurring view: most Leave voters didn’t expect economic gain; it was an emotional or identity decision.
• Several argue the core problem is competence: no clear negotiating goals, weak leadership, and poor use of any new freedoms.

EU, Sovereignty, and Democracy

• Pro‑Brexit commenters criticize the EU as undemocratic, technocratic, over‑centralizing (“ever closer union”), and structurally trapping eurozone members.
• Critics counter that EU elections were more proportional than Westminster’s, and that the UK itself is highly undemocratic.
• There is disagreement over whether “sovereignty” is meaningfully different from regulatory alignment required for trade.

Immigration, Identity, and Nationalism

• Many see anti‑immigrant sentiment, xenophobia, and class/identity (“posh Remainers vs Leavers”) as key drivers.
• Some argue migrants are scapegoated for problems largely unrelated to immigration.
• Debate over fiscal impact of EU vs non‑EU migrants; one study is invoked to claim both groups are net contributors on average, but its assumptions are challenged.
• Post‑Brexit policy has shifted migration from EU to non‑EU sources, with continued high numbers and rising nationalist politics.

Regulation and “Lost Opportunities”

• A promised bonfire of EU regulations mostly didn’t happen: UK law initially copy‑pasted EU rules, and review has been slow.
• Commenters stress that large-scale divergence would be costly and would not make sense for exporters who must still meet EU standards.
• Result: extra bureaucracy (e.g., customs, dual markings like UKCA/CE, Northern Ireland frictions) with few visible deregulatory gains.

Media, Foreign Influence, and Legitimacy

• Several threads link Brexit to domestic tabloid propaganda and alleged Russian money/online influence.
• Others focus on the narrow 52–48 margin and unresolved issues for Scotland and Northern Ireland, questioning whether this constituted a clear mandate for a permanent break.

US Sanctions and Digital Cut‑Off

• The judge was sanctioned under a US executive order targeting the ICC, triggering automatic deplatforming: US tech/services (Amazon, Airbnb, PayPal, Expedia, etc.) and many non‑US banks cut him off, especially for USD transactions.
• Commenters note this isn’t new: any transaction touching USD or US‑integrated finance falls under US rules, even between non‑US parties abroad.
• Some argue it’s “legal but not OK”: companies are compelled to comply or face huge fines; others say US firms are free to choose their customers, and foreign states could in theory retaliate by banning US firms.

America’s Moral Standing and Historical Hypocrisy

• Large subthread debates whether the US ever “took the law seriously” or merely projected that image via propaganda.
• Examples cited: the “Hague Invasion Act,” non‑ratification of ICC jurisdiction, Nuremberg selectivity (Holocaust vs US/Japanese/USSR actions), Jim Crow and Native American genocide.
• Some Americans insist many citizens genuinely believe in ideals like rule of law and fair play; others respond that foreign policy and historical practice show a persistent “rules for thee, not for me” pattern.

ICC, International Law, and Gaza

• Disagreement on the ICC: some dismiss it as naïve and powerless; others say it matters for norm‑setting, travel constraints, and future accountability, and is no more “useless” than other international tribunals.
• Several point out the ICC clearly has jurisdiction over Gaza via Palestinian accession, though territorial nuances are acknowledged.
• Gaza casualties and destruction are heavily discussed, with links arguing the Health Ministry’s numbers are broadly credible and likely undercounts; a minority insists they’re Hamas‑controlled and inflated.

EU Leverage, Blocking Statute, and Sovereignty

• The judge calls for activating an EU “blocking regulation” that would forbid EU firms from honoring US sanctions that conflict with EU interests, making them liable for damages in Europe.
• Many doubt the EU will use it against the US (it declined to fully use similar tools over Iran), citing dependence on US defense and divisions over Russia/Ukraine.
• Others argue this episode should accelerate EU “digital sovereignty”: reducing reliance on US clouds, payment rails, and Big Tech, though political will and corruption are seen as major obstacles.

Sanctions, Infrastructure Centralization, and Blowback

• Commenters highlight how US control of the dollar, SWIFT, and major tech platforms creates global “choke points” that can be turned on individuals for political reasons.
• Some predict overuse will erode US leverage, pushing China and the EU to build alternatives (as happened with rare earths and semiconductors); others say current gaps (e.g., EUV lithography, finance) remain large.

Technical feasibility & impact on OSes

• Some propose simple mechanisms (e.g., a “child” header from the client that porn sites must honor, enforced by fines), arguing this is easy to implement and monitor.
• Others note a child can just send an “I’m an adult” signal unless the client is heavily locked down. That implies strong parental controls, OS‑level role‑based access, BIOS passwords, kiosk modes, router whitelists, etc.
• Free/open OS advocates fear such requirements can’t be met without outlawing hackable systems or independent app installation. Examples raised: Arch Linux or generic distros where there is no single “vendor” to enforce compliance.
• Some say Linux desktop environments already have kiosk modes and that adding filters is trivial; others cite FSFE arguments that the law’s wording (“only apps with approved youth protection”) implies much deeper lockdown, potentially making general-purpose OSes unusable or non‑compliant.

Opt-in design vs mandate

• Supporters stress the law only forces OSes to offer a one‑click “child mode”; it doesn’t force anyone to turn it on. They liken it to an on-device porn/ad blocker, not backbone censorship.
• Critics worry the mandate effectively bans OSes without such features, and that social and legal pressure will evolve so parents who don’t enable filters are treated as negligent.
• Alternative suggestion: define a voluntary “PG-capable” spec, label compliant OSes, and restrict minors to those devices, instead of forcing every OS to embed state-defined controls.

Porn harms, addiction, and parenting

• Several comments describe serious personal or family harm from compulsive porn use, arguing that easy, on-device filters would have helped, especially for children who aren’t yet able to seek treatment.
• Others note existing tools (router filters, third‑party blockers) and say enforcement, not availability, is the real issue.
• There’s dispute over how harmful porn is compared with other “hyper‑stimulants” (social media, junk food, gambling), and calls to address those too.
• Some advocate criminalizing porn production; others insist consenting adults should be free to create and consume it, with filters limited to child protection.

Censorship, surveillance, and slippery slope

• Many fear “protect the children” is a pretext for broader control: once OS‑level filtering and app whitelisting exist, they can be extended to hate speech, “misinformation,” and political content.
• Examples from Germany, Poland, and the UK are cited to argue that online speech restrictions and fast‑track blocking are already expanding.
• There’s skepticism about technical watertightness without client‑side scanning and identity/age verification, which would erode anonymity and enable mass surveillance.

Enforcement, circumvention, and realism

• Several predict practical non‑compliance and easy circumvention (alternative OS images, torrents, sideloading), likening it to past failures around piracy.
• Others argue even imperfect, client‑side filters that are “hard enough” for kids to bypass can still significantly reduce accidental exposure and lower the bar for less technical parents to protect children.

LLMs Writing Interpreters and DSLs

• Multiple commenters report success getting LLMs to build interpreters, compilers, and DSLs: FAWK (functional AWK), a Ruby compiler, a Perchance interpreter in Rust, a web-app DSL, a typed shell DSL, Prolog experiments, and an LLVM-based language.
• Typical workflow: describe the language and examples, ask the model to implement an interpreter plus tests, then iterate via an agent (e.g., Claude Code, Cursor, Gemini CLI).
• For small, “school‑style” interpreters, results are often surprisingly solid; larger or standards-heavy languages remain difficult.

Why Use AI Instead of Writing It Yourself?

• Pro‑AI side: AI drastically cuts time from weeks to days or hours, enabling ambitious side projects for people with jobs/families; it lets you skip tedious parts (lexers, boilerplate, machine code, plumbing) and focus on design.
• Skeptical side: implementing a toy language is “the fun part of CS” and a core learning experience; offloading it to AI can feel like cheating or hollow, especially if you don’t deeply understand the result.

Code Quality, Testing, and Maintenance

• Strong consensus that good automated tests are essential. With high coverage, models can refactor (e.g., port a parser to tree‑sitter) and maintain behavior; without tests, they generate “happy-path” code and miss edge cases (division by zero, deadlocks, race conditions).
• Several people note that review can be as hard and boring as writing the code yourself, especially for grammars and complex architectures.
• On larger or intricate codebases, models tend to wander into dead ends, misunderstand cross-cutting implications, or invent APIs.

Reasoning, Understanding, and Limits

• One subthread debates whether visible “thinking steps” are real reasoning or just next‑token prediction. Some argue LLMs clearly build usable world models; others insist they lack genuine understanding or judgment.
• Models pattern‑match strongly to known syntaxes; new languages that look like JS/C are easier for them than truly novel designs.

Broader Experiences and Context

• Many anecdotes of successful “vibe coding” beyond FAWK: automation scripts, GUI apps with E2E tests, porting Ruby to Cosmopolitan, home automation setup.
• Advent of Code is framed as a social, seasonal, low‑stakes playground that motivates building toy languages.
• Meta‑discussion touches on AI hype vs “propaganda”, political implications, and a desire for more shared transcripts so others can learn concrete prompting and workflows.

Economic motives and “value engineering”

• Core complaint: HP and Dell are disabling HEVC hardware support to avoid ~$0.20–$0.24 per-unit licensing fees (recently raised ~20%), even on $900+ “pro” laptops.
• Many argue $25M/year is trivial for these firms relative to revenue, but hardware orgs aggressively cut BOM costs even when it degrades UX.
• Others note margins per laptop are modest (maybe $50–$75), so even a few cents matter internally and can drive bonuses, despite long‑term reputational cost.
• Some see this not as “saving $0.04” but as drawing a line against ever‑rising patent-pool prices.

Licensing, double-dipping, and blame

• Patent pools (MPEG LA / Access Advance / others) were heavily criticized as “rackets” that charge multiple parties along the chain (CPU vendors, OEMs, OS, apps).
• Debate over who should pay: in practice, the “last enabler” to the end user (OEM or Microsoft Store, etc.) owes the fee, prompting OEMs to disable support.
• Some blame HP/Dell for penny-pinching and hiding the limitation; others blame the HEVC patent regime and advocate shifting to royalty‑free formats (VP9, AV1, future AV2).

Technical mechanism and workarounds

• Most commenters think the silicon is intact but HP/Dell’s Windows GPU/media drivers disable HEVC hardware acceleration or omit the codec.
• On Linux, HEVC reportedly works, implying only Windows drivers/stack are crippled.
• Buying the HEVC extension from the Microsoft Store (~$1, or via “hidden” free links) installs codecs; disagreement whether this re-enables hardware decode or only software.
• For enterprises, per-user Store purchases are seen as unmanageable; volume licensing is limited.

Real-world impact and codec usage

• Tangible issues cited: poor Teams performance, laggy multi-stream calls, disabled GPU-based background blur when hardware acceleration falls back to CPU.
• Disagreement over HEVC’s importance:
  • Some say “nobody sane uses it”; others claim it’s ubiquitous in 4K streaming, phone video, UHD Blu-ray, remote gaming, and local libraries.
  • Conferencing stacks often stay on H.264/VP8/VP9 and are moving directly to AV1, sometimes skipping HEVC. Teams’ actual use of HEVC is disputed.
• Several predict this will accelerate migration away from HEVC/VVC toward AV1 and beyond.

Consumer expectations and disclosure

• Many see this as secretly shipping “crippled” hardware: CPUs and GPUs physically support HEVC, but OEM choices remove the benefit.
• It appears to affect only new units; existing licensed machines aren’t being downgraded.
• Strong sentiment that, at minimum, OEMs should be explicit on spec sheets or offer an official one‑time paid enablement option.

“Fully open” positioning and competition

• Commenters debate the phrase “best fully open 32B model.” Some see “best” as trivial if there are few true peers; others argue it’s meaningful for researchers who explicitly need open data + code + weights.
• Several other fully open efforts are mentioned (e.g., Marin, some Nvidia and Swiss projects), but Olmo is seen as unusually competitive with strong open-weights models (e.g., Qwen).
• People note the term “open source AI” is now muddled; suggestions include “fully open,” “open base,” or “transparent models” to distinguish from weights-only releases.

OlmoTrace, transparency, and UX

• Users appreciate the attempt at traceability but question what OlmoTrace actually shows. It surfaces n‑gram matches in training data for parts of the answer, which some view as more like post‑hoc search than true “traceability.”
• Olmo researchers clarify it’s meant to illustrate how small phrases are influenced by data, not to attribute complete answers or enable fact‑checking.
• Several find the UI confusing (multiple similar icons, slow first load) and see a broader challenge: making traceable inferences inspectable and useful to non-experts.

Model behavior, quality, and use cases

• Reports from the AI2 playground suggest Olmo 3 can produce high‑quality, well‑reasoned answers comparable to major closed models for general tasks.
• Practical uses for smaller models include: bulk translation (often to English), domain-specific classifiers, local “Google replacement” for shell commands or text manipulation, and quick coding/help tasks where speed and privacy matter.
• Mixture-of-Experts (MoE) models like Qwen3-30B-VL are praised for speed and “good enough” capability as daily drivers. Olmo authors say MoEs are on their roadmap but note current tooling complexity.

Integration issues and “thinking” traces

• Multiple users see bizarre or incorrect behavior in LM Studio / Open WebUI (e.g., nonsensical thinking traces, identity confusion with OpenAI models, degraded performance over turns).
• Olmo researchers suspect integration bugs or unsupported settings; advice is to rely on official tooling early on and let the ecosystem catch up.

Accuracy, uncertainty, and prompting hacks

• Examples show factual errors (e.g., kosher status of giraffes) and odd theological justifications, sparking debate over retrying prompts vs. real-world user behavior.
• Several argue models should more often say “I don’t know” or expose uncertainty, but benchmarks and training incentives currently reward confident answers.
• One practitioner improves extraction reliability by adding an explicit “edge_case” option in structured outputs, framed as “helpful,” and wonders why such small prompt hacks aren’t systematically collected.

Training data, ethics, and legality

• Training corpus Dolma3 includes web-scraped text, including porn/erotic sites; some question its value, others note this is what genuine pipeline transparency looks like.
• There is discussion that most source text isn’t freely licensed, with debate around fair use and pending legal outcomes. Some argue that, despite legal/ethical gray areas, fully open models with released data and code still meaningfully improve user agency versus closed systems.

Scope of the Research vs. HN’s Interpretation

• Several commenters stress the paper is about elite professional service firms (Big Four, top consultancies, elite law), not generic “top firms” or tech companies.
• The model depends on selling specific employees’ time to clients and visible, attributable individual performance.
• Many in the thread still react as if it’s about tech layoffs, stack ranking, or general corporate behavior, leading to calls that the title is misleading.

Up-or-Out, Margins, and Reputation Dynamics

• Summarized model: early on, firms know more about workers’ abilities than clients do; over time, worker performance becomes visible to the market, eroding that information advantage.
• As compensation rises but billable rates cap out, high performers become less profitable for the firm but more valuable on the open market; firms push them “out” or underpay them.
• Some describe this as rational margin optimization; others as a thin justification for churn and exploitation.

Politics, Management Failure, and Perverse Incentives

• Many argue “why good workers get fired” is mostly politics and bad management:
  • Managers protect themselves in layoffs (e.g., firing the best to avoid being replaced).
  • Self-promotion and “managing up” beat actual performance; reorgs and headcount targets drive exits.
  • Managers often lack domain knowledge, can’t distinguish high performers from slackers, and default to mediocrity.
• Some say in large firms nobody is really watching performance; rewards flow via relationships, not output.

Consulting Firms and Sales-Driven Careers

• In consulting, strong performers either:
  • Move into sales/relationship roles (path to partner is “sell hours”), or
  • Move client-side into senior roles that later buy from their old firm.
• Others cite alternate systems (e.g., variants of “Cravath”) where only the very best are kept as partners and the rest are gently pushed to clients, preserving long-term deal flow.

Ethics, Capitalism, and Unions Debate

• Some see the described system as psychopathic “corpo-speak” that reframes ruthless turnover as an “efficient mechanism.”
• Others emphasize that capitalism optimizes profit margin, not absolute work quality; “good and cheap” beats “great and expensive.”
• A quoted passage about firms threatening remaining employees with reputational harm to force below-market wages sparks an extensive union debate:
  • Pro-union side: this is exactly the power imbalance unions exist to counter.
  • Anti-union side: unions add bureaucracy, can be corrupt, limit flexibility, and might reduce high-end tech pay; examples from multiple countries are cited on both sides.

Country- and Culture-Specific Anecdotes

• Indian commenters describe nepotism, regional loyalty, and “credit-stealing” managers, claiming good people are often sidelined or PIPed once they become threatening.
• Others counter with descriptions of formal PIP and ombudsman processes intended to protect against abuse.
• One view from German industry: long-term employment is valued, but unions may prioritize less-skilled workers’ interests over engineers’, sometimes even supporting outsourcing of engineering.

Skepticism of the Article Itself

• Some say the piece reads like a justification for stack ranking and churn, or like an AI-generated HR brief for a board.
• Others acknowledge it as an interesting, if somewhat obvious, formalization of dynamics they’ve seen in professional services.

Academic outcomes and teaching quality

• Multiple commenters cite studies claiming homeschooled students test 15–25 percentile points above public-school peers and score higher on ACT/college metrics; others counter that these samples are self-selected (mainly college-bound homeschoolers) and often come from advocacy orgs.
• Some argue one-on-one or very small “class sizes” plus parental motivation and pacing to mastery can easily beat typical classrooms, especially in K–5.
• Skeptics note that by middle/high school no single parent can match a full faculty’s subject depth, labs, and advanced electives; successful homeschools often rely on co‑ops, community college, or online providers.
• Several teacher/parent anecdotes say public schools devote disproportionate time to struggling students, leaving advanced ones under-served, which pushes some families out.

Socialization and psychological effects

• This is the most contested topic.
  • Some adults homeschooled long-term report severe social unpreparedness, anxiety, and years of “catching up” on basic group dynamics.
  • Others say they transitioned smoothly via co‑ops, sports, youth groups, jobs, and mixed‑age activities, and felt less damaged than heavily bullied public‑school peers.
• Critics argue homeschool can produce polite, adult-pleasing but peer-awkward kids, or narrow “bubbles” that hinder relating across class, race, or belief lines.
• Defenders respond that public-school “socialization” often means exposure to bullying, phones, drugs, and cliques; good social skills can be built more intentionally in curated communities.

Motivations for homeschooling

• Common reasons mentioned:
  • Covid remote-school failure and new visibility into low academic rigor.
  • Safety, social media–driven bullying, classroom disruption, and large classes.
  • Dissatisfaction with curriculum changes (e.g., de-tracking math, cutting gifted programs).
  • Religious or ideological goals: avoiding evolution/sex/gender content or, conversely, avoiding conservative religious environments.
  • Special needs (e.g., deaf‑blind, learning disabilities) or highly gifted children not well served by local schools.
  • Sports “redshirting” and recruiting in some areas.

Equity, labor, and system-level concerns

• Many note homeschooling requires time, flexibility, or money (loss of an income, tutors, pods), so it skews toward more privileged families; some see it as de‑facto class and cultural segregation.
• Others frame it as legitimate “school choice” and a rational response to perceived institutional failure; they reject the idea that children are “property” of the community.
• Several stress that “homeschooling” is extremely heterogeneous—from educational neglect and ideological isolation to high-quality co‑ops and early college work—so global claims for or against it are unreliable.

Suicidality and Risk Mechanisms

• Several participants describe close family members becoming acutely suicidal or even homicidal shortly after starting or adjusting Prozac, including in the 1990s before black‑box warnings.
• Two competing explanations recur:
  • “Energy-before-mood” model: meds lift lethargy and willpower before mood improves, enabling people who already want to die to act on those thoughts.
  • “Drug-induced ideation” model: SSRIs can abruptly generate overwhelming suicidal or psychotic impulses that weren’t there before.
• Mania or bipolar disorder unmasked by SSRIs is mentioned as a plausible mechanism in some extreme reactions.
• People emphasize that increased suicidality is a known class risk for many CNS drugs, hence the need for close monitoring, not automatic rejection of treatment.

Mixed Personal Outcomes with SSRIs

• A large number of anecdotes report SSRIs (including Prozac) as “life-saving” or “night and day,” especially for severe anxiety and major depression, often after years of trying lifestyle changes and therapy.
• Others report little benefit or severe side effects: emotional blunting, loss of libido, weight gain, dissociation, brain fog, withdrawal syndromes, and in a few cases long‑lasting anhedonia or sexual dysfunction.
• Many stress that responses are highly individual and often require trial‑and‑error across drug classes (SSRIs, SNRIs, NDRIs, etc.) and doses.

Children, Diagnosis, and Safety Concerns

• The article’s child focus is repeatedly highlighted; some argue Prozac may help adults but not be better than placebo in children.
• Several parents describe dramatic improvements in severely depressed or anxious children on fluoxetine; critics counter that children’s brains are developing and long‑term harms are under‑studied.
• There is debate over whether pediatric depression is “real” vs mislabeling normal distress, and concern about misdiagnosis (e.g., underlying bipolar disorder).

Placebo, Evidence, and Trial Design

• Commenters note meta‑analyses showing only marginal average benefit over placebo, publication bias, and short (6–12 week) trials versus multi‑year real‑world use.
• Some argue that “no better than placebo” at the group level can still hide large benefits for specific subgroups; others say approvals would likely fail under today’s evidentiary standards.
• Ethical questions arise: if something works mainly via placebo, is it acceptable to prescribe it without saying so?

Biology vs Environment and Alternatives

• One camp sees depression primarily as a brain disorder with strong familial patterns; another sees it mainly as a signal of bad circumstances, alienating work, or lack of meaning.
• Many argue both factors coexist: medication can create a “platform” to do therapy, change life circumstances, exercise, socialize, or pursue spiritual practices.
• Lifestyle interventions (exercise, light exposure, social connection, diet, religion) are frequently proposed as low‑risk adjuncts; others warn these are often impossible to start when someone is severely ill.

Debate over regulation vs. over‑regulation

• Many commenters stress that regulation is often “written in blood”: it exists because past harms (pollution, unsafe buildings, toxic products) actually happened.
• Others argue that after the big wins (e.g., leaded gasoline, asbestos bans), the system drifts into thousands of marginal rules whose cumulative overhead outweighs benefits.
• Some see blanket anti‑regulation rhetoric as ideological; others see blanket pro‑regulation rhetoric as thought‑terminating and blind to trade‑offs.

Revoy / truck engine certification dispute

• The requirement to certify emissions impact separately for ~270 engine “families” at ~$100k each is viewed by some as protection theater and an entry barrier for small players.
• Others respond that verifying claims is exactly what regulation is for, and that large fleet impact could justify substantial testing.
• Suggestions include testing only the most common engine families, using representative sampling plus exemptions, or lowering test costs rather than dropping the requirement.

Carbon capture and underground injection

• Several commenters are uneasy about injecting large volumes of novel liquids underground, likening it to earlier “safe” industrial practices that later proved toxic.
• Others argue that failing to deploy carbon‑reducing tech also has very real health and climate costs; the question is whether the specific risks have been adequately studied.
• The four‑year delay just to decide which injection‑well category applies is cited as pure procedural drag, not safety work.

Regulatory capture, costs, and inequity

• Recurrent theme: big incumbents treat regulatory complexity and certification fees as a moat; small firms and startups bear disproportionate burden.
• Certification bodies and testing labs are described by some as de‑facto rent‑extractors with little competitive pressure to lower prices.
• Counterpoint: in many industries, without strict, enforceable rules, firms do in fact cut corners, pollute, or mislead (Dieselgate, pharma pricing, unsafe buildings).

Process and reform ideas

• Proposals include: more staff and funding for regulators, clearer exemption paths, sunset clauses on rules, faster classification decisions, and government‑funded or subsidized testing.
• Some advocate “bigger but better” government that helps small firms navigate rules, rather than simple deregulation.
• Others call for sharply simplifying codes (e.g., housing, environmental review) and explicitly accounting for the cost of inaction as well as the cost of experimentation.

Comparisons and wider analogies

• China is cited as an example of heavy but fast, centralized regulation enabling massive infrastructure build‑out; others push back on calling that “democracy.”
• Housing, vapes, building codes, cookie banners, and insulin prices are all invoked as parallel cases where regulation either meaningfully protects the public or badly misfires.

Nature of the “state action” and evidence

• The original concern comes from French media articles linking GrapheneOS (or products claiming to use it) to drug traffickers and “darknet” distribution, citing unnamed police sources.
• Commenters note these are insinuations rather than clear descriptions of formal legal steps (no explicit mention of new laws, raids, or prosecutions against GrapheneOS itself in the press).
• GrapheneOS’s own statement claims French state agencies and law enforcement are making inaccurate, libelous claims and explicitly threatening to treat them like two named “secure phone” companies whose servers were seized and whose operators faced criminal charges if GrapheneOS doesn’t “cooperate” (interpreted as providing access/backdoors).
• Some participants remain unsure what concrete actions have actually occurred beyond press and alleged threats.

Media, politics, and possible coordination

• Several comments frame the newspapers involved as right‑wing, oligarch-owned outlets that profit from fear‑mongering about crime and security, comparing them to partisan media elsewhere.
• Others emphasize that while French media receive public subsidies, that doesn’t automatically make them direct state tools; they are seen more as instruments of their private owners.
• A few see the coverage as part of broader pressure against privacy tech and an intimidation phase before formal enforcement; others demand stronger evidence of coordinated state–media conspiracy.

GrapheneOS’s response and jurisdiction strategy

• GrapheneOS says it is proactively withdrawing from France (e.g., moving services away from OVH) to avoid being caught in hostile legal actions.
• Some support this as the only rational move when laws or enforcement climates become unacceptable.
• Others warn this makes it easy for governments or powerful media to effectively “self‑censor” such projects by creating pressure, noting that French citizens still deserve access to strong privacy tools.

Troll/bot behavior in the Mastodon thread

• Much discussion centers on an aggressive, possibly unstable or bot-like account attacking GrapheneOS in the Mastodon thread.
• Many criticize GrapheneOS for repeatedly engaging, which amplified the noise due to Mastodon/Twitter-style UX.
• GrapheneOS explains it tries to avoid bans unless absolutely necessary because bans have previously led to escalations such as harassment, CSAM spam, and even swatting.

Broader themes: privacy, crime, and authoritarianism

• Multiple comments see this as part of a global trend: governments and aligned corporate interests becoming increasingly hostile to strong privacy because it impedes mass surveillance and easy phone searches.
• Several note that privacy tech is inherently “double‑edged” (used by both citizens and criminals), arguing that this should strengthen, not weaken, the case for a legal right to robust encryption.
• Others attribute the environment to rising authoritarianism and right‑wing populism exploiting crime fears, rather than any single coordinated cabal.

Media engagement and PR

• Some argue GrapheneOS needs professional PR to handle hostile or leading media questions and to shape the narrative early.
• Others insist one should “never talk to journalists,” claiming narratives are usually pre‑decided and media will twist statements. There is disagreement over whether engaging the press can meaningfully mitigate political and legal risk.

User and European context

• Several commenters praise GrapheneOS’s technical quality and daily usability, seeing French hostility as an unintended endorsement.
• There’s discussion that the EU could instead fund an Android‑derived, privacy‑respecting OS as a sovereignty project, with mandated support from banks and state apps—making current pressure on GrapheneOS seem especially misplaced.

Reusable fairings and comparison to SpaceX

• People note Blue Origin’s mention of a “reusable fairing” and compare it to SpaceX’s experience.
• Clarification: SpaceX abandoned mid-air net catches but still routinely recovers fairings from ocean splashdowns, having redesigned them for water impact and reflown them many times.
• Curiosity about how Blue will implement reuse, but no technical details in the thread.

Lunar mission and test philosophy (NASA vs SpaceX style)

• New Glenn’s next mission being a lunar-orbit flight with a lander is seen by some as a big leap after a first orbital flight.
• Debate over “fail fast” (SpaceX/Starship) vs more conservative, NASA-like stepwise testing (Blue, Artemis).
• Historical comparisons to Saturn V and the Apollo sequence; some argue current safety culture wouldn’t accept Apollo-era risk.
• Extended argument over Artemis’ purpose (Moon-to-Mars, sustainable cislunar economy) vs perceptions it’s an Apollo/SLS retread, and criticism of popular YouTube commentary on it.

Engines, 9×4 configuration, and performance

• Technical interest centers on upgrading from 7×2 to 9×4 engines and stretched tanks; photos suggest structural changes (fins, legs, fairing).
• Discussion of BE‑4’s relatively low chamber pressure vs SpaceX’s Raptor, and how conservative design plus incremental pressure increases can raise thrust.
• New Glenn’s very large fairing vs its mass-to-orbit is noted; expectation that engine upgrades make better use of that volume.
• Comparisons to Falcon Heavy and Starship: some enthusiasm that 9×4 targets >70 t to LEO, others point out it’s still hypothetical versus Falcon’s long service record.

Market demand and competitive positioning

• Several argue Blue’s bigger problem is lacking a Falcon 9–class workhorse; heavy-lift demand is thin compared to the high-cadence medium-lift market.
• New Glenn is seen as more of a Falcon Heavy competitor; Starship’s role and economics are debated, with concerns about refueling complexity, development cost, and “second system syndrome.”
• Amazon’s Kuiper constellation is viewed as an important but not exclusive source of demand; regulatory deadlines forced Kuiper to buy Falcon 9 launches as well.

Ecosystem and payload design

• Having an 8.7 m fairing similar to Starship’s 9 m is seen as good for customers and even for SpaceX: payload designers can target a shared large-envelope standard and later choose provider by readiness and price.

Units (metric vs imperial) and aerospace practice

• A long tangent erupts over use of feet, miles and pounds in Blue’s materials.
• Aerospace professionals in the thread say modern spaceflight work is overwhelmingly SI internally, though aviation and maritime still use feet and nautical miles.
• Many argue consistency and SI are critical to avoid mishaps; others counter that familiarity and context (e.g., Fahrenheit for weather) drive preferences.

Perceptions of Blue Origin and Bezos

• Mixed views: some see Blue as slow and surviving solely on “Bezos bucks,” far behind SpaceX despite earlier founding.
• Others credit Blue for investing heavily in advanced hardware and a more traditional, high-quality manufacturing approach, suggesting “old space” may have been held back more by funding incentives than by conservatism alone.
• A minority voice expresses outright hostility toward Bezos’ broader impact on humanity.

Miscellaneous

• Some amusement that “An update on New Glenn” sounds like a shutdown euphemism in startup culture, though here it’s a genuine technical update.
• Brief discussions touch on potential space weaponization (“Golden Dome” concepts) and skepticism about the practicality and wisdom of orbital nuclear systems.

Kagi as a backend for LLMs vs Google/Bing

• Several commenters highlight that Kagi’s filtered, low-noise index appears to make the same LLM perform better than with Google/Bing, especially by surfacing relevant sources (often Wikipedia) higher and avoiding SEO garbage and ad-heavy sites.
• Others push back that “show Wikipedia higher” isn’t a complete strategy and question how this helps with queries like product recommendations (“top luggage for solo travel”).
• Kagi staff claim they do particularly well on product research because they downrank low-quality, tracker-heavy review sites.

Search quality, incentives, and “slop”

• Many argue Google is structurally incentivized to keep garbage in results because those pages run ads and were cultivated by SEO. They doubt Google will fix this for normal users, though it might for its own agents.
• Kagi is praised for initiatives like SlopStop and for explicitly positioning LLMs as tools for search, not as autonomous “AI agents.”
• Skeptics counter that all vendors say they “keep LLM flaws in mind,” and that in practice AI summaries often just repackage the same low-quality content.

Kagi’s focus: search engine or AI company?

• A vocal group wants Kagi to “just do search” and fears user money is being diverted into “bullshit AI products,” comparing this unfavorably to Google’s AI search.
• Kagi representatives respond that:
  • Assistants are built on top of search and intended to enhance it (e.g., research/workflow tools, not long-form auto-writing).
  • Over 80% of members use Kagi Assistant/AI features.
  • They plan to separate subscriptions for search vs advanced AI.
• Some users worry about selection bias: people who dislike AI may avoid Kagi entirely, so usage stats don’t prove broad demand.

Pricing, tiers, and regional concerns

• Kagi is seen as “expensive for a search engine,” especially outside the US; some request cheaper, search-only plans or pay-per-search credits.
• Others argue $10/month is trivial for developers and note that advanced AI features live on the higher “Ultimate” tier, so basic search users needn’t subsidize heavy AI.

User experiences with Kagi Assistants

• Fans report roughly 50/50 use between standard search and assistant, finding quick/research modes helpful for complex queries, and appreciating opt‑in triggers like ?, !quick, !research.
• Several users say Kagi’s research assistant handled known hallucination traps better than Gemini and some other models, often by explicitly admitting it couldn’t find matching information.
• Others see little difference between Kagi’s quick assistant and directly calling a strong base model (e.g., Kimi), and struggle to identify when to prefer Kagi’s managed assistant.

Designing around LLM “bullshit”

• Kagi’s ML lead describes LLMs as inherently capable of “bullshit” and frames this as a product-design problem: build workflows that keep users in the loop, emphasize citations, and make fact-checking easy rather than asking users to fully trust answers.
• Critics argue that any system that confidently presents plausible but sometimes-wrong answers will still induce trust, anchoring, and confirmation bias; they doubt UX can fully mitigate that.

Capabilities, limitations, and comparisons

• Kagi assistants can read URLs and files; some users have built similar URL-reading features in their own products.
• There are complaints that users can’t easily steer crawling strategies (e.g., constrain categories or force use of a site’s internal search).
• Comparisons to Perplexity’s “deep research” note that Kagi is often faster; some users want more time/tool calls in exchange for more exhaustive coverage.
• Kagi’s “Quick Assistant” is described as a managed experience currently backed by Qwen 3 235B, allowing Kagi to swap models and control tool usage and reliability.
• Kagi MCP server and upcoming assistant/search APIs are mentioned for integrating Kagi search with external tools like ChatGPT/Claude.

Project Goals and Motivation

• Described as a macOS-style OS with FreeBSD/Darwin underpinnings, analogous to ReactOS for Windows rather than just a “Wine for macOS.”
• Intended for people who like macOS’s UX and bundled apps but dislike Apple’s hardware lock‑in, notarization, ecosystem control, and ads/telemetry.
• Some see it as a path to “macOS without the closed ecosystem,” others as essentially a hobbyist FOSS mac clone.

Why Not Just Linux, Wine, or Darling?

• One camp: energy would be better spent improving Linux desktop (GNOME/KDE, stability, a11y).
• Counterpoint: Linux userland and UI are seen as fragmented, inconsistent, and “crowdsourced”; many want a coherent, opinionated macOS-like environment rather than more configuration.
• Darling exists as a Wine‑like compatibility layer; ravynOS instead aims at a full OS with native Mach-style messaging, initially on FreeBSD for drivers, with recent discussion of shifting toward Darwin/XNU and Mach‑O.

Technical and Compatibility Challenges

• macOS compatibility is a moving target: frequent framework deprecations, 32‑bit removal, OpenGL deprecation, Intel→ARM transition.
• Some argue binary compatibility is only useful if major frameworks (“CoreFoo”) are implemented; otherwise it’s just a Mac‑like UI on BSD.
• Suggestions include reusing Darwin libraries from Darling, using LLVM to build compatible dylibs, or targeting specific macOS eras rather than “current macOS.”
• Others question the value of Mach‑O/compatibility at all vs. focusing on a mac‑style UX atop a stable BSD base for native apps and servers/build machines.

UI/UX and Aesthetics

• Mixed reactions to the UI: front‑page mockups praised as “gorgeous,” but actual screenshots criticized as dated, “uncanny valley macOS,” or reminiscent of early 2000s desktops.
• Broader debate on macOS vs. KDE/GNOME: some see KDE as superior and more polished; others prefer macOS’s consistency, progressive disclosure, and strong defaults.

Broader Reflections: OS Innovation and AI

• Several comments note how hard OS development is (drivers, ACPI, GPU docs) and how slow clone projects (ReactOS, Haiku, FreeDOS) progress.
• Speculation that advanced AI/agents could dramatically accelerate clean‑room reimplementations, but concerns raised about legal risk if AI was trained on proprietary source and about organizational/financial bottlenecks.

Definition and scope of OOP

• Many commenters argue “OOP” is now so overloaded it’s nearly meaningless.
• Disagreement over whether OOP means: classes, inheritance hierarchies, message passing, encapsulation/ADTs, or just “methods on data”.
• Examples used: prototype-based JS, Go’s methods/interfaces, closures vs objects, and message-passing/actor systems as “purer” OO.

Critiques of OOP and inheritance

• Major pain points attributed to OOP: deep inheritance, shared hidden mutable state, and over-abstraction that makes code hard to reason about.
• Several say inheritance is the uniquely harmful part; composition plus interfaces/traits are seen as safer.
• Others defend OOP itself and blame cultural misuse (e.g., Java-style overengineering, GoF-pattern cargo culting) rather than the paradigm.

Functional programming and data-first design

• Some report success replacing OOP with “plain data structures + functions”, keeping state centralized and mutations at the edges.
• FP is framed as better for linear data processing and transformations; OOP better for simulations, GUIs, and complex state machines.
• Disagreement over whether OOP is actually superior for CRUD/ORM work; ORMs are seen as convenient but also as performance traps and abstraction leaks.
• Discussion dives into “pure functions/transformations” and how FP still relies on data structures, just with behavior decoupled.

Microservices vs OOP

• Split between those who see microservices as “objects at the network layer” and those who insist they solve orthogonal (mostly organizational/scale) problems.
• Many note microservices add latency, serialization overhead, failure modes, and operational cost, and are often used where a monolith would suffice.
• Others argue they can be valuable for large, distributed teams and very high scale, but are widely misapplied.

Architecture bloat and higher-level OO

• Some see today’s stacks (OpenAPI, Docker Compose, Kubernetes, service meshes) as re-implementing OO patterns—interfaces, factories, event loops—at infrastructure scale.
• Interfaces and contracts are reframed as security/trust boundaries; loss of trust drives more rigid, tool-enforced separation.

Pragmatic/nuanced views

• Several commenters emphasize that modularization, encapsulation, and separation of concerns predate OOP and remain valuable regardless of paradigm.
• Consensus from multiple angles: any paradigm (OO, FP, microservices) becomes harmful when overused, misapplied, or treated as ideology rather than a tool.

Experiences of Stops and Searches

• Multiple commenters describe being stopped on highways with thin or fabricated pretexts (tint, “driving exactly the speed limit,” minor equipment issues), then subjected to intensive searches, including roadside disassembly of vehicles and hours-long detentions, often with no charges.
• Some recount CBP harassment at actual borders versus never being stopped at interior checkpoints despite frequent border-area travel, which they find more disturbing—suggesting either very targeted surveillance or arbitrary enforcement.
• Others note that many officers can, and are trained to, “find something” on virtually any driver within minutes, making selective enforcement easy and bias-prone.

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License Plates, ALPR, and Data Markets

• Strong concern that automated license plate readers (ALPRs) plus long-term retention create a de facto mass location-tracking system, seen as incompatible with the spirit—if not yet the letter—of the Fourth Amendment.
• Discussion of companies like Flock and DRN that hoover up plate data (fixed cameras, tow trucks, gig drivers) and sell it to police, repo firms, and sometimes private buyers. Some mention creative uses (catching murders, stolen cars), but many see the societal tradeoff as unacceptable.
• Disagreement over where the real problem lies: plates themselves vs. bulk, aggregated, queryable databases. Several argue aggregation for commercial sale should be outright banned or heavily regulated (GDPR-style), with access only via warrants.
• Others note even without plates, higher-res imaging and analytics (vehicle “fingerprints,” facial recognition, TPMS IDs) can still track people, so plates are just the easiest vector.

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Fourth Amendment, Suspicion, and Border Powers

• Many say “suspicious travel patterns” are not a crime and cannot justify detention; in practice, police and CBP generate parallel pretexts (traffic infractions) and only articulate “reasonable suspicion” later in court, if ever.
• The 100‑mile “border zone” is hotly debated. Some treat it as a quasi “Constitution‑free zone” where suspicionless stops/searches are normalized; others cite case law and ACLU updates arguing that full suspension of rights there is an exaggeration, though abuses are real.
• There’s frustration that illegal or abusive stops rarely lead to consequences: victims often get no day in court, settlements (when they happen) are paid by taxpayers, and qualified immunity plus broad exceptions (Patriot Act, border search doctrine) insulate agencies.

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Phones, Cars, and Other Sensors

• Several argue license plates are almost secondary: modern cars log GPS, infotainment systems are subpoenaed, phones are continuously tracked and data is purchased from brokers, making ALPR just one layer in a dense surveillance mesh.
• Others push back that you can at least leave a phone at home; you cannot realistically opt out of plates if you drive.

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Politics and Institutional Drift

• Many see this as part of a long bipartisan expansion of the surveillance state (War on Drugs, War on Terror, Patriot Act, DEA and CBP programs), even if current political support clusters on the right under “border security.”
• There is tension between “small government” rhetoric and enthusiastic backing of expansive CBP/ICE powers; some conclude the real through‑line is control, not limited government.

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Proposed Reforms and Countermeasures

• Legal ideas: require contemporaneous, recorded articulations of suspicion; hard time limits on stops; warrant requirements and strict logging for all ALPR queries; publish hit rates for officers and K‑9s; grant standing and damages for fruitless invasive stops.
• Structural ideas: outlaw commercial sale of location-linked plate data; treat ALPR feeds as public records to raise compliance costs; restrict CBP to true border contexts.
• Personal responses range from “drive and live below the radar” to plate covers and car mods (often illegal), to simply avoiding car travel where possible.

Failure mechanics and fatigue

• Discussion centers on the aft and forward pylon mounting lugs: three of four fracture surfaces show fatigue cracking; the fourth is pure overstress, implying the aft lug failed first, then the forward lug tore in overload.
• Commenters parse the report and AVHerald diagrams: the engine stayed attached to the pylon; it was the pylon-to-wing lugs that failed.
• Several expect fatigue cracks of this type should be detectable with proper, timely inspections, raising questions about inspection intervals and access to the crack locations.
• The aircraft had ~21,000 cycles; a “special detailed inspection” of the aft lugs wasn’t due until ~29,000 cycles, so it was well short of the mandated threshold. Debate ensues whether that points to an underspecified inspection regime or just unlucky early fatigue.
• People discuss metal fatigue basics (endurance limits, non‑ferrous vs ferrous alloys) and note the failure looks “clean and brittle,” consistent with advanced fatigue.

Engine motion and forces

• One line of discussion attributes the engine’s “up and over” trajectory partly to gyroscopic precession of the spinning turbofan during rotation.
• Others argue gyroscopic effects are minor compared to simple thrust and hinge geometry: aft mount fails, engine thrust flips it over the wing, then drag and airflow drive it down.
• Consensus: gyroscopic forces may influence direction, but the motive energy is the engine’s own thrust.

Similarity to past accidents and safety culture

• Strong comparisons are drawn to American Airlines 191 (DC‑10): wing engine detaches during takeoff, strikes the airframe, catastrophic loss.
• Key distinction raised: AA191 was traced to improper maintenance that cracked the rear bulkhead; this case currently points to fatigue in the lugs, not obviously the same mechanism.
• Other reference points: El Al 1862 (747 engine/pylon failure), UA232 (DC‑10 uncontained failure destroying hydraulics), DHL Baghdad (severe wing damage yet controlled landing).
• Some worry about “backsliding” in safety and cost‑cutting in maintenance; others emphasize the rarity of such events and the age/lineage of DC‑10/MD‑11 designs.

Trijet design and survivability

• Multiple comments stress that airliners are designed to survive a single engine failure on takeoff; this event involved loss/damage of two of three engines plus major wing/fuel‑tank damage, making survival unlikely.
• The incident underscores non‑independence of failures in trijets (wing engine failure affecting the tail engine) and prompts debate whether the whole trijet configuration is now an obsolete, marginal design.
• Some note trijets originally solved 1970s engine reliability and ETOPS constraints; with modern engines and rules, big twins are preferred.

Grounding and fleet implications

• Grounding of remaining MD‑11s and DC‑10 variants is seen as impactful but manageable: almost all are cargo, firefighting, or specialized refueling aircraft; no passenger service remains.
• Speculation that fleetwide inspections, possible redesign/replacement of rear pylon lugs, and shorter inspection intervals will decide whether any return to service is economical.

Report access, formatting, and side topics

• Several comments note OCR artifacts and typos (e.g., misread acronyms) in the PDF, likely from scanning; NTSB later replaces it with a cleaner image‑only version.
• Users share updated NTSB links after the original URL breaks.
• Brief side-thread on AVHerald blocking Cloudflare/VPN IPs, and on the intensity of the surveillance and vehicle video showing how fast the accident unfolded.

Ownership and Corporate History

• Many comments retrace how Microsoft came to own Zork: Infocom was bought by Activision in the 1980s, Activision Blizzard was acquired by Microsoft in 2023.
• People are surprised at the breadth of Microsoft’s game IP (Infocom, Sierra, Blizzard, id via Zenimax, etc.), and how easy it is to forget who owns which classic brands.

What’s Actually New

• Several note that Zork source has been “around forever” (e.g., MIT’s original MDL “Dungeon” version and leaked Infocom sources).
• The key change: Zork I–III in the historicalsource GitHub org now have an explicit MIT license via a Microsoft-approved PR.
• Other Infocom repositories remain “source available” for study/archival only, with explicit notes that they are not open source.

Tech Stack: MDL, ZIL, Compilers

• Discussion clarifies lineage: original mainframe Zork in MDL, commercial Zorks in ZIL (a MDL-derived Lisp dialect) targeting the Z-machine VM.
• Commenters debate MDL’s status: “obscure” vs. an important MIT PDP‑10 language with advanced types and data structures.
• Original Infocom toolchains (ZILCH, mainframe environment) are effectively lost; modern ZILF is the practical compiler and is explicitly recommended.
• Various ports (Fortran, f77, C) and interpreter implementations (e.g., Frotz, Apple II interpreters) are cataloged; some interpreter sources exist in a legal gray area and people hope Microsoft will officially license them too.

Licensing and Copyright Details

• Questions arise about the 2025 copyright date on the MIT license; responses note it likely reflects this publication/version, not original creation.
• There’s back-and-forth on whether narrative text is covered by the code license; one view is that Microsoft is mainly concerned with trademarks/branding, but this is flagged as a legal gray area.

Reactions: Nostalgia vs. Skepticism

• Many express deep nostalgia, personal stories of playing or trying to write adventure games, and appreciation for historical preservation.
• Others see this as low-risk PR around “old, crusty, obsolete” code that has no commercial value.
• Some criticize the blog post’s tone as “LLM-ish,” while others defend it as just a particular writing style.

Future Uses and Derivatives

• People are excited about derivative works: ports to Inform 6, translations, educational study, packaging in Linux distros, Docker images, and even AI-assisted visualization or play.
• There’s strong desire for Microsoft to similarly open source more Infocom titles and other classic engines (Sierra, AoE, id Tech), though legal entanglements (e.g., Hitchhiker’s rights, BBC/estates) are acknowledged.

Excitement and “Why Did This Take So Long?”

• Many see cross-platform Quick Share/AirDrop as long-overdue basic functionality, highlighting how strong vendor lock-in has become.
• Several note that even “dumbphones” could share files cross‑vendor via Bluetooth or IR in the 2000s; the fact this is news in 2025 is seen as embarrassing regression.
• Some argue interoperability is now only appearing because it started hurting platform owners’ image and regulators stepped in.

Vendor Lock-In, DMA, and Apple/Google Incentives

• Strong sentiment that Apple intentionally withheld interoperable file sharing to reinforce its ecosystem (similar complaints about iMessage, FaceTime, AirPods, watch integration).
• Others point out Google has also killed or siloed earlier cross-device tools (e.g., Bump) and pushes its own proprietary stacks.
• Multiple commenters link this directly to EU Digital Markets Act decisions, which forced Apple to support Wi‑Fi Aware and make P2P Wi‑Fi interoperable; debate continues over how much was “forced” vs “planned.”

Technical Underpinnings and Pixel-10-Only Launch

• Commenters dissect that Google likely implemented the AirDrop protocol via reverse‑engineering (similar to OpenDrop), using Apple’s AWDL behavior and/or new Wi‑Fi Aware paths.
• Pixel 10–first rollout is widely seen as marketing and/or chipset/firmware related; some think any modern Wi‑Fi hardware could do it, others note AWDL-like modes can require special firmware.
• People expect eventual expansion beyond Pixel 10, but lament yet another feature gated by exact device + OS + Play Services combo.

Filesystems, Openness, and Philosophy

• Long subthread contrasts Apple’s “hide files, surface photos/docs” UX with Android/Linux’s explicit filesystem.
• Pro‑filesystem voices see hiding files as disempowering and anti‑“hacker spirit”; others argue most users don’t want to manage directories and dotfiles.
• Related complaints: iOS restrictions on sideloading, background tasks, 3rd‑party watches, and notification control vs Android’s relative openness (custom ROMs, real Firefox, KDE Connect).

Alternatives, Reliability, and Actual Usage

• Many already use messaging apps (WhatsApp/Signal), cloud links, or local tools (LocalSend, PairDrop, Wormhole, KDE Connect) and question how often they’ll need this.
• AirDrop is praised as fast and offline, but several report it being flaky, especially involving Macs, with poor diagnostics.
• Some worry about metadata leaks or spam, but notes emphasize the “Contacts only / Everyone for 10 minutes” model and peer‑to‑peer design.

Loss of the bottom of the market

• Commenters recall cheap single-room occupancies (SROs), boarding houses, YMCA rooms, and even rented garages as crucial first rungs for immigrants, young workers, and people “down on their luck.”
• Their disappearance is widely linked to the visible rise in homelessness; several note that people who once would have been low‑income tenants are now on the street or in cars.

Why they disappeared: multiple causes

• Cited drivers include: exclusionary zoning, minimum-unit/amenity standards, building and fire codes, moral panics about “undesirables,” gentrification and land speculation, and HOAs and local politics opposed to low-cost density.
• Others emphasize legal shifts: strong tenant protections, anti‑discrimination rules, and requirements like private bathrooms and sprinklers increasing costs or making the business model unworkable.
• Some argue financialization and redevelopment into high-end apartments and offices, rather than regulation per se, is the primary force.

Tenant laws, eviction, and adverse selection

• Many argue SRO-style housing is incompatible with modern tenant protections: if eviction takes months and is expensive, operators cannot quickly remove violent, destructive, or heavily disruptive residents.
• This is said to create a “Dead Sea effect”: stable but poor tenants leave, problematic ones remain, and buildings spiral into disrepair.
• Others counter that protections are needed against abusive landlords and that overprotective laws also discourage small landlords from renting to higher‑risk tenants at all.

Neighborhood impact, NIMBYism, and zoning politics

• Nearby residents complain about noise, parking, trash, and crime from high‑occupancy houses; defenders respond that these costs must be weighed against street homelessness.
• Several see local control of zoning as structurally exclusionary: people who can’t afford to live in an area don’t get a vote on rules that keep them out.
• HOAs and suburban municipalities are portrayed as powerful anti‑density forces; some say they themselves are creatures of environmental and infrastructure rules.

Design, amenities, and modern feasibility

• Debate over what low-end units should include: shared kitchens vs microwaves/mini‑fridges vs cafeteria-style food; some note that truly cheap units can’t support hotel-level cleaning staff.
• There is disagreement over whether property taxes are a main cost driver; some see them as a large, perpetual burden for low-income housing, others see land and construction as more important.

Drugs, mental illness, and social order

• Several insist today’s concentrated mental illness and hard-drug use (e.g., opioids) make communal living far harder than mid‑20th‑century SROs.
• Others argue these issues already exist in encampments and shelters; SROs with private locking rooms would still be an upgrade and a platform for services.
• There is tension between calls for more supportive, even involuntary, mental health housing and fears of repeating past institutional abuses.

International and modern analogues

• UK HMOs, Vancouver and Chicago SROs, Japanese low-end lodging, co‑living startups, and Chinese ultra‑cheap studios are cited as current or partial analogs, often with tradeoffs: landlord abuse, fire risk, underfunding, or being pushed out by gentrification.
• Some note that in many US regions, informal high‑occupancy housing (bunk beds in apartments, room rentals) persists, often in legal gray areas.

Policy ideas and ideological splits

• Proposals include: nationalizing zoning or “NIMBY‑busting,” Georgist land taxation, more state‑owned or 99‑year lease housing, legalizing high‑occupancy rentals, and church‑run or nonprofit SROs.
• Others argue for stricter limits on urban density and more incentives for remote work and smaller cities, seeing megacity concentration as an “urbanism death spiral.”
• A separate thread debates universal basic income and attitudes toward the poor, with some claiming cruelty and control, not cost, drive resistance to more generous support.