Tesla Profits Drop 55%

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Financial results and margins

  • Commenters note revenue down ~9% YoY but income down ~55%, with free cash flow negative and operating cash flow “disappeared.”
  • One analysis: gross margin barely fell and opex only rose modestly; main issue is high fixed costs from vertical integration, making profits highly sensitive to small revenue drops.
  • Some see this as reversion from COVID-era abnormal margins to more normal auto margins.
  • Several view the stock reaction (up on guidance about cheaper models/AI) as another meme-like disconnection from fundamentals.

Pricing, competition, and EV demand

  • Disagreement whether Model 3/Y are “one of the cheapest” EVs in US/EU: many list significantly cheaper EVs (Dacia, BYD, VW, Peugeot, Volvo, etc.).
  • Some argue Tesla still leads Western makers in scale, efficiency, and range-per-dollar; others say alternative EVs are now cheaper and often better built.
  • EV demand: 31% growth in 2023 seen by some as strong, but below industry expectations, especially for higher-priced models. Hybrids are gaining ground.

Brand, build quality, and user experience

  • Repeated anecdotes of poor fit and finish, worn interiors, and awkward ergonomics (e.g., removal of stalks, confusing turn-signal layout).
  • Others argue most buyers care more about brand and software than finish, but several counter that long-term perceptions of quality (as with German/Japanese brands) are critical and slow to build.

Musk’s behavior and political impact

  • Significant hostility toward Musk’s public statements (politics, culture-war tweeting, alleged antisemitism, transphobia), with many saying they will not buy Tesla while he is CEO.
  • Some argue this has alienated environmentally conscious/left-leaning buyers without attracting large numbers of truck‑oriented conservatives.
  • Others downplay CEO personality, focusing on product and industry leadership.

Robotaxis, Optimus, and AI pivot

  • Many skeptical of robotaxi timelines and business model: regulatory hurdles, liability, cleaning/maintenance, registration, peak-time demand mismatch.
  • Some see the robotaxi/AI narrative as a way to re-rate Tesla as a tech/AI company after car growth slows.
  • Others argue FSD miles and Waymo/Cruise show autonomy is progressing, and that even a small share of ride‑hailing TAM could be very lucrative.
  • Optimus humanoid robot claims (production soon, enormous economic upside) are widely viewed as overly optimistic; supporters emphasize incremental factory use first.

Product strategy: Cybertruck, Model 2, low-cost EVs

  • Cybertruck described by many as a “vanity project” or “toy” with limited mainstream appeal and weak towing/efficiency; some see it as targeting a niche status market.
  • Debate over whether Tesla truly prioritizes an affordable “Model 2”; reports in the thread alternately describe cancellation, delay, or an intermediate platform based on 3/Y.
  • Several think abandoning or delaying a global low-cost car and semi-truck in favor of AI/robotaxis is strategically risky.

Environment, alternatives, and “sustainable transport”

  • Some argue boycotting Tesla slows “transition to sustainable transport”; many respond that buying non‑Tesla EVs (or even hybrids, e‑bikes, fewer cars) advances the same goal.
  • A few claim keeping and lightly using existing ICE cars can beat new EVs environmentally if mileage is very low; others cite analysis that EVs overtake old beaters in ~2 years of typical usage.
  • One view: private cars of any type aren’t truly sustainable due to road wear, microplastics from tires, and land use.

Arson at Gigafactory Berlin

  • Discussed as a pylon arson attack cutting power to the plant and local residents for about a week.
  • Motives reported as protest over deforestation, groundwater use, and opposition to Tesla’s vehicle types; described as far‑left/anarchist activists.