I was at the clapperboard for Orson Welles' drunk wine commercial (2021)
Orson Welles’ infamously “drunk” Paul Masson wine commercial is reinterpreted here as the product of a badly timed sleeping pill, with commenters emphasizing that he later returned, nailed the performance, and remained broadly admired as a generous professional with crew and peers. The thread branches into film-craft details—how dialogue scenes are shot, how insurance and scheduling pressures shape on-set behavior, and how Welles’ later career included voice work and parodies that cemented his pop‑culture legacy. In parallel, many lament the state of online journalism, arguing that intrusive, ad‑driven business models degrade reading experiences and debating whether ad blockers are an ethical response or a threat to already fragile media funding.
Parodies, references, and Welles in pop culture
- Many comments link to parody versions of the wine outtakes and to classic Welles-related spoofs in cartoons and sketch shows.
- The “frozen peas” commercial outtakes and other food ads are cited as parallel “legendary” performances.
- Welles’ voice work is discussed: his impression as the basis for a cartoon character, his dubbing in a biopic, and his final role voicing a planet-sized villain in an animated film.
- Several users recall being traumatized or deeply affected by that animated film (and its toy-marketing logic), including discussion of character deaths and resurrections.
Filmmaking and acting craft discussion
- One subthread dissects how dialogue scenes are normally shot: establishing wide, mediums, over-the-shoulder “dirty” shots, closeups, and final wides, stressing time and cost savings.
- “Walk and talk” sequences are noted as a deliberate subversion that trades setup time for more natural performances.
- Trivia is shared about scenes in a famous thriller where the two leads mostly acted separately because of set constraints.
- Some discussion touches continuity risks and the role of crew carefully cataloging set details.
What was happening in the wine commercial?
- The article’s sleeping-pill explanation leads several commenters to reassess the “obviously drunk” narrative.
- One line of comments emphasizes the insurance angle: he was filmed in unusable condition to justify a claim, then later that day performed flawlessly.
- Others insist alcohol was likely involved, citing his reputation, while a few point out that delayed-onset medication is plausible.
- Overall consensus: behavior was unprofessional but mild compared to notorious on-set misconduct, and he ultimately delivered.
Welles’ broader persona and anecdotes
- Multiple anecdotes present him as brilliant, self-mythologizing, funny, and generous in defending other artists, even late in life.
- Stories about quick, perfect narration sessions and his quips about how he’d spend the money add to a picture of a larger-than-life but competent worker.
- Some readers say they now admire him more, seeing the commercial as an exception rather than pure cynicism.
Online journalism, ads, and ad blockers
- A major subthread complains about the article’s intrusive mobile ads: popovers, full-screen interstitials, and auto-playing videos that destroy narrative flow.
- This leads to a broad debate on ad blockers:
- Some refuse to run blockers, seeing ads as the implicit “price” of free content, and simply abandon unreadable sites.
- Others argue adtech has a track record of privacy abuse and malware, so blocking is self-defense and ethically justified.
- One view is that widespread blocking pressures the industry by making ads unbearable for the remaining unblocked segment.
- Comparisons are drawn to print newspapers: they also had heavy ads, but not individually targeted, tracking-heavy, or executable.
- Alternatives suggested: paid subscriptions, per-article payment, curated journalism funds, or stronger public-service models (e.g., PBS-like platforms).
Professionalism, artists, and ethics
- One extended comment argues that calling Welles “unprofessional” misapplies a concept meant for regulated professions (law, medicine, etc.) and subordinate employees.
- It claims freelance artists occupy a different category: their “product” is partly their feelings, they lack a client-protecting professional college, and their unions serve them rather than the public.
- Others react more simply: they see his behavior as imperfect but still relatively responsible and considerate toward crew.
Meta and reception of the article
- One commenter criticizes the article’s narrator for perceived ego and class attitude toward other crew members.
- Another flags that complaints about site formatting are technically discouraged by forum guidelines, though they remain a large part of the thread.