The rise of the disposable car
Vehicle longevity vs. “disposable” narrative
- Multiple comments argue modern cars last longer and are more reliable than in past decades; average vehicle age is rising.
- The “disposable car” effect comes less from mechanical fragility and more from economics: repairs (especially body/electronics) now exceed vehicle value more often.
Insurance, “totaled” cars, and incentives
- “Totaled” usually means repair cost vs. value crosses a legal or insurer threshold, not that a car is irreparable.
- Several note that many “total losses” are repaired cheaply by others and re-enter the market (often with salvage/rebuilt titles).
- Disputes over what “making whole” should include: only market value, or also sentimental value, owner’s careful maintenance, search time, and defect risk in “comparable” used cars.
- Some suggest greener insurance products that favor repair over replacement, but practical pricing and carbon-accounting are seen as unclear.
Repair costs, complexity, and design choices
- Advanced driver-assistance systems, airbags, and integrated electronics make even minor collisions expensive to fix due to sensors, calibration, and labor.
- Examples: headlight units, TPMS sensors, snow/rain sensors, and EV crash repairs running into thousands; some parts are only sold as large assemblies (e.g., whole transmissions).
- Debate over CVTs and turbos: some see them as inherent reliability downgrades adopted for fuel economy; others argue they can be reliable and cheaper to manufacture/replace.
- Design for repairability vs. assembly/BOM cost is a recurring tension; some blame “gigapressing,” tight integration, and proprietary systems for high repair bills.
Environmental and societal angles
- Mixed views on whether repairing older, less efficient cars is environmentally better than replacing them with newer, more efficient ones; benefits may flip after enough years.
- Discussion of Cuban long-lived cars highlights trade-offs: reduced consumption but high human labor and worse safety/emissions.
- Myths about vast graveyards of unsold new cars are challenged; referenced article on that is widely dismissed as unserious.
DIY, used, and older cars
- Strong advocacy for maintaining older cars, especially Japanese or higher-end older models, as cheaper than constant replacement—if you can do some repairs yourself.
- Others highlight limiting factors: rust (especially in “rust belt” climates), rising labor rates, parts shortages, and safety gaps vs. newer designs.
- Desire for simple, non-connected, easily repairable cars is common, but many believe market demand skews toward feature-loaded complexity.