Ask HN: Has anyone been fired for ignoring in-office mandates?

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Evidence of Firings and Strict Enforcement

  • Multiple examples in the US (especially big banks and a financial institution) of people being fired for ignoring RTO mandates, often after months of written warnings.
  • Some employers explicitly tie in‑office days to eligibility for bonuses and promotions; noncompliers may be blocked even if they perform well.
  • One EU poster is in a formal process that will end in dismissal for refusing a 3‑day RTO; no severance is being offered.
  • Some workplaces enforce related mandates (e.g., pagers, vaccines); refusal led to termination in those cases too.

Soft Resistance and Inconsistent Enforcement

  • Several describe ignoring or “soft-ignoring” mandates (coming in less than required, or not at all) without consequences, especially where managers quietly disagree with the policy.
  • Some managers say they only act if HR flags badge data or if noncompliance causes visible issues.
  • Others report managers and “superbosses” giving conflicting signals, leading to uneven enforcement.

On-Call Expectations and Workload Creep

  • One story: engineer fired for refusing to wear a pager after job scope changed.
  • Debate over whether on-call can be reasonable versus exploitative.
  • US posters stress that salaried/overtime‑exempt roles enable employers to pile on duties without extra pay; some advocate saying “no” and/or unionizing.
  • EU posters mention legal limits and guaranteed compensation for on‑call time as a contrast.

Impact on Talent, Retention, and Culture

  • Mandates and bonus penalties are pushing people to look for new (often fully remote) jobs; some companies are “bleeding talent.”
  • Several note that in the current weaker job market, employers have more leverage, so workers face higher risk in resisting.
  • Hybrid is criticized as “worst of both worlds” unless organizations structurally commit to either remote‑first or true in‑office.

US vs Europe: Law, Commute, and Office Culture

  • US factors: at‑will employment, longer and worse commutes, expensive childcare, larger homes that better support home offices, more adversarial employer–employee relations.
  • EU factors: stronger dismissal protections, more constrained housing, often shorter commutes and more pleasant city centers, and more formal processes if RTO is breached.

Ethics of “Soft-Ignoring” and White Lies

  • Some view quietly ignoring rules and telling managers what they want to hear as pragmatic and respectful within certain cultures.
  • Others see this as duplicitous and say they struggle to function in environments built on such implicit rule-breaking.