EU parliament member hit by Israeli Candiru spyware
Attack details and technical discussion
- Initial comments note the MEP avoided infection by not clicking a malicious link; others point out zero-click exploits exist.
- Disagreement over whether the specific link would compromise a device merely by opening it or required an additional step; this is unclear from the newsletter/tweet.
- Some argue such a high‑value political target is exactly where expensive 0‑days would be deployed; others highlight that not all attacks are zero‑click.
- Explanations describe how messaging apps and browsers can be compromised via rich content (e.g., crafted images exploiting parsing libraries).
- Discussion of spear‑phishing vs generic phishing: spear‑phishing is targeted and may or may not use 0‑days.
Prevalence and value of zero‑click exploits
- Commenters stress that working 0‑days for major mobile platforms and browsers are very expensive, have short shelf life, and are used sparingly.
- Attackers often already know the target’s device/OS, narrowing the exploit set.
- Some suggest ordinary users are unlikely to be hit if they remain “uninteresting.”
Naming and ethics of surveillance firms
- The “Candiru” name (a parasitic fish) is discussed as darkly appropriate.
- Comparisons are made to companies like Palantir, with the theme of firms adopting names from cautionary fiction or “evil” concepts, sometimes for nerd appeal.
- Debate touches on how juvenile humor and self‑consciously “evil” branding relate to ethical maturity.
Geopolitics, attribution, and EU spyware use
- Several comments emphasize the key question is which state client used Candiru, not just that it is Israeli‑made.
- Politico links cited suggest Hungarian intelligence may be involved, in the broader context of EU spyware abuse in Hungary, Poland, Spain, Greece, and Cyprus.
- Concerns that such tools are used against domestic and foreign political opponents and that this is becoming normalized inside the EU.
- One commenter notes a national‑security angle: supplier states might “piggyback” on clients’ surveillance, though others say on‑prem deployments and monitoring make that non‑trivial.
Perceived information operations and moderation on HN
- Long subthread on whether topics involving Israel (and other states) are downplayed or delegitimized on HN.
- Some allege coordinated pro‑Israel presence or broader state‑backed influence operations; others say mercenary spyware stories from Israel appear regularly and prominently.
- Parallel claims are made about Russian, Chinese, Iranian, and US influence campaigns; disagreement over their relative scale and visibility.
- Meta‑discussion about how subtle narrative‑steering might be hard to detect, and that “allowed discussion” isn’t proof of absence of manipulation.
- HN moderators explain the post’s rapid downranking by an automated flamewar detector plus user flags, and outline policies against flamebait and antisemitism.
Legal and policy responses
- Some argue countries selling such spyware should be sanctioned and developers prosecuted as spies.
- An example from Swedish law is cited: unauthorized surveillance/computer access and aiding such crimes could be prosecutable, though penalties are limited (e.g., two years).
Israeli surveillance and occupation context
- Historical examples raised include reported spying on the International Criminal Court and wiretapping Palestinian Authority communications; others note Palestine’s telephony being routed via Israeli infrastructure.
- One side frames such interception as unsurprising in a hostile context; another stresses it’s enabled by occupation and control, tying it to broader issues of subjugation and unequal power.
- A highly contentious comment lists multiple extreme accusations against Israel (e.g., involvement in major historical events); no corroboration or detailed debate appears within the thread.