A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines
Incident Overview
- Thread is about governance voting; a prominent community member’s comment was auto-hidden on the official forum.
- The hidden comment (as reported by readers) merely noted that an expert on voting systems was currently under a 3‑month suspension and suggested consulting them later.
- Because moderated posts are now fully hidden from non‑moderators, this triggered concern and speculation about censorship and “un‑persons.”
Moderation, Transparency, and “Censorship”
- Many see fully hidden posts and bans for even oblique references to a suspended contributor as a “massive red flag” and trust‑eroding.
- Others argue the comment could be read as passive‑aggressive or as re‑litigating a previous CoC decision, so hiding it was within the rules.
- Disagreement over whether “no one above the rules” is reassuring or whether the rules are being used to shield leadership from embarrassment.
Governance and Power Structures
- Debate over the elected steering council vs. earlier “benevolent dictator” model:
- Some want the founder to retain a soft veto or sovereign role as a backstop.
- Others insist on democratic, community‑elected governance and that core members must follow the same rules.
- Concerns about the unelected Code of Conduct work group, its overlap with other power centers, and opaque enforcement procedures.
Broader Concerns about CoCs and Community Politics
- Several commenters generalize this to a pattern across projects (Python, NixOS, Linux, Go, Debian): CoCs and HR‑style governance allegedly enabling cliques, “activists,” or bureaucrats to capture projects and silence dissent.
- Others push back, saying some drama is inevitable in any human committee and that CoCs are needed to handle real misconduct.
Impact on Python and Follow‑up
- Some fear a “Perl‑like” decline or call for forks and corporate-maintained variants; others say most users won’t notice and the language will continue regardless.
- There is side debate about Python’s technical direction and readability vs. complexity, but that’s secondary to the governance issue.
- Later in the thread, the original poster (whose comment was hidden) states it was a moderation automation mishap, the post was restored, and a moderator apologized.
- Some say this shows early reactions were overblown; others argue it’s part of a longer worrying pattern rather than an isolated mistake.