USPS' long-awaited new mail truck makes its debut to rave reviews from carriers

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Design, Aesthetics & Ergonomics

  • Many think the trucks look “ugly,” but see that as acceptable if visibility, safety, and ease of work improve.
  • Large glass area and low hood are praised for spotting children/pets and reducing blind spots; some compare the look to Pixar characters or Japanese vans.
  • Concerns raised about noise levels inside and the large bumpers, but others note replaceable bumpers and close-quarters impacts as likely design drivers.

Custom Vehicle & Contractor Choice

  • Question: why a custom USPS vehicle from a defense contractor instead of off‑the‑shelf vans?
  • Replies note that UPS, Amazon, DHL, etc. also use heavily customized or purpose‑built vehicles.
  • Defense contractors are seen as optimized for long‑term government contracts, compliance, and very long production runs.
  • Some suspect waste or corruption; others point to open bidding, prior Grumman LLV precedent, and cost parity with Rivian vans (~$90k/unit cited).

EV vs ICE, Efficiency & Emissions

  • Strong sentiment that fleet should have been nearly or fully electric; DeJoy’s initial 90% gas plan drew particular ire.
  • Subsequent shift: majority of the NGDV order now planned as BEVs, with post‑2026 orders all electric, though some see this as begrudging and politically driven.
  • ICE NGDV fuel economy: ~14.7 mpg without AC, 8.6 mpg with AC, vs ~8–9 mpg for LLVs; many see this as a missed efficiency opportunity, especially given heavy stop‑start duty cycles where hybrids/EVs excel.
  • Debate over how much AC actually affects fuel use; cited numbers vary and are contested.

Charging Infrastructure & Route Constraints

  • Key USPS argument against full electrification: upfront cost of vehicles plus thousands of chargers and electrical upgrades, especially at smaller or rural depots.
  • Some argue depot loads are manageable (comparable to many dryers); others stress fleet‑scale power needs, rural grid limits, and repair logistics for EV trucks.
  • Consensus that EVs are ideal for many urban/suburban routes; ICE seen as still useful for extreme climates or hardest‑to‑serve areas.

Safety, Regulations & Vehicle Weight

  • New trucks add airbags, ABS, cameras, blind‑spot monitoring, and collision sensors absent from LLVs; widely viewed as a major safety win.
  • Thread notes GVWR is 8,501 lb, just over the EPA heavy‑duty threshold, letting them skip stricter light‑duty standards; some call this regulatory gaming.
  • Discussion of “grandfathered” safety rules: old USPS trucks, classic cars, and antique vehicles can legally lack modern safety features.

Worker Conditions & Public Service

  • Carriers reportedly suffered in LLVs with no AC and tin‑can heat; AC alone is seen as transformational, even if it hurts mpg.
  • USPS jobs framed as stable, unionized work with solid pensions and healthcare; some call this a form of “richness” in security.
  • Broader reflections that public services should accept some “waste” to ensure robustness and universal coverage, not chase pure business efficiency.

Retiring LLVs & Surplus

  • Some readers want to buy retired LLVs; others report they must be destroyed due to exemptions and contractual obligations, and may be cannibalized for parts first.
  • Debate on environmental impact: extending LLV life vs replacing with far more efficient or electric vehicles; many argue continued LLV use is worse overall.

USPS Governance & Politics

  • Mixed views on DeJoy: some see improvement and EV pivot as success under pressure; others still see him as a privatization‑minded, anti‑EV figure constrained by lawsuits, board oversight, and political shifts.
  • Mention that the NGDV program predates his tenure; caution against over‑crediting him.
  • Discussion of USPS funding: generally self‑funded via postage, but recent $3B in federal funds specifically supported EVs and charging.