LHC experiments at CERN observe quantum entanglement at the highest energy yet
Researchers at CERN’s Large Hadron Collider have observed quantum entanglement at record-high energies, prompting renewed debate over the value and direction of fundamental particle physics. Commenters contrast the scientific curiosity and long-term technological payoffs of ever-larger colliders with their steep costs, questioning whether funds would be better spent on alternative experiments or other fields such as space science and medicine. Alongside the funding debate, many contributions try to clarify what entanglement actually is, why it cannot be used for faster‑than‑light communication, and how it is tested experimentally.
Funding and value of high‑energy colliders
- Some see LHC-style machines as essential: only very high energies reveal new particles and test the Standard Model at regimes where forces unify and “laws change.” Curiosity and long‑term spin‑offs are cited as justification.
- Others argue we may have hit diminishing returns: many concrete BSM theories have already been constrained by LHC; FCC (~€17B+) may rule out more parameter space (e.g., some WIMP models) but with no clear “Higgs‑like” target.
- Critics emphasize opportunity cost: for similar money you could fund multiple space missions, telescopes, or other physics/biomed projects with more obvious payoff.
- Supporters counter that in national budgets these are rounding errors, especially compared to defense, and that prioritizing only “safe, cheap” science blocks big breakthroughs.
Defense spending, globalization, and inequality
- One side claims strong militaries underpin global shipping, democracy, and high living standards; defense is seen as essential “insurance,” historically cheap relative to GDP.
- Others argue militaries primarily protect and extend unequal economic relations (colonialism, offshoring, coups), and that many harms cited stem from power imbalances rather than weak defense.
- Debate extends to whether globalization reduces or amplifies inequality, with references to rising middle classes vs extreme wealth concentration.
- Some note US wars costing trillions with dubious security benefits, and contrast the political ease of funding jets vs science.
Public support, ROI, and alternative directions
- Concern that particle physics soaks up scarce top STEM talent and money for marginal gains; suggestions include investing directly in enabling tech (e.g., superconducting magnets) or radically new accelerator concepts (space or muon colliders) instead of “LHC but bigger.”
- Others reject the idea of a fixed science pie and see arguing over intra‑science reallocations as defeatist while defense and other spending are barely questioned.
Quantum entanglement: basics and misconceptions
- Multiple replies push back on pop‑culture uses of entanglement (telepathy, text “synchronicity”): scale is microscopic, preparation highly specific, and biological implementations fantastically implausible.
- Explanations emphasize:
- Entanglement is about non‑separable joint states and conservation laws (e.g., total spin) in a closed system.
- You can’t treat it as “pre‑stored bits” in two brains or boxes without conflicting with experiments that violate Bell inequalities and rule out simple hidden‑variable pictures.
- Observed “coincidences” in daily life are better explained by priors, shared habits, and cognitive biases (confirmation, frequency illusion).
Why entanglement cannot send faster‑than‑light messages
- Several commenters struggle with this; others provide layered explanations:
- Measurement outcomes on each side are individually random; you cannot choose them to encode a message.
- Correlations only show up when comparing many results over a classical channel, which is limited by light speed.
- Intuitions using apples/coins capture “no communication,” but miss that in quantum mechanics the choice of measurement basis affects correlations in ways impossible classically.
- Thought experiments like synchronized random coin flips illustrate that shared randomness can coordinate actions without transmitting new information.
Is entanglement “real” or just bookkeeping?
- One line of questioning wonders if entanglement is merely a semantic artifact of how we write wavefunctions; adding extra particles or choosing different decompositions seems to change “what is entangled.”
- Responses:
- Formally, “entangled” means the joint state cannot be factored into a product of subsystem states; adding an uncorrelated particle multiplies the state but doesn’t alter existing entanglement.
- Operationally, entanglement is detected through tasks/statistics: violation of Bell inequalities, quantum teleportation, and other protocols that only work if genuinely entangled pairs are present.
- You can’t certify a single pair in one shot due to probabilistic measurement, but repeated experiments converge, similar to any probabilistic property in physics.
Data openness and public engagement
- One suggestion: include explicit data URLs and query recipes in papers so non‑experts can reproduce event selections and “play” with LHC data.
- CERN does publish open data, but critics find it hard to discover and not low‑barrier for newcomers; they argue better didactics could reduce “ivory tower” perceptions and help sustain funding.
- Others are skeptical that raw‑data access meaningfully shifts mass public or political support compared with more visceral, consumer‑facing tech (e.g., chatbots).