Two galaxies aligned in a way where their gravity acts as a compound lens
Overall reaction and discovery
- Commenters express strong enthusiasm about the first known “Einstein zig‑zag” / double gravitational lens.
- Some discuss how it was found: spotting apparently duplicated sources in survey data, suggesting we might systematically search for more such systems.
Sun as gravitational lens vs galactic lenses
- Several argue for funding a Solar Gravitational Lens (SGL) mission, preferring it over repeat lunar landings.
- Others stress the extreme difficulty: it must go to ~500–650 AU, is effectively single‑target, and cannot be steered sideways practically.
- There’s debate on whether future lower‑cost launch and space manufacturing could make such missions routine; some are optimistic, others warn about resource limits and “low‑hanging fruit” in tech progress.
Cosmology and the Hubble constant
- Commenters highlight that this system combines:
- Time‑delay cosmography (using different path lengths and delays between lensed images of a variable quasar).
- Dual source‑plane lensing (two background sources at different distances through the same lens).
- Together, these are expected to constrain the Hubble constant and dark energy equation of state more tightly.
- A lay explanation suggests such systems may also help push observations closer to the earliest observable epochs.
Communication and detectability
- Speculation about using gravitational lenses (or galaxies) as communication amplifiers leads to discussion of:
- Inverse‑square falloff, noise floors, and background radiation limiting detectability.
- Focused beams (lasers, powerful radio arrays) vs omnidirectional broadcasts.
- Most see galaxy‑scale lensing for deliberate signaling as implausible due to billion‑year timescales, alignment transience, and unpredictability of civilizations’ existence.
Seeing Earth’s past and “time travel” ideas
- A question about curving light back to see Earth’s past leads to consensus that:
- Geometry, Earth’s motion, and lack of true focusing make this effectively impossible.
- Even with black holes, you’d get an extremely faint, unresolved “past Earth,” not a usable image.
- Some mention closed timelike curves theoretically, but only as a pointer, not a practical route.
Nature of gravitational lenses and technical details
- Several clarify that these systems are not “compound lenses” in the everyday optical sense with a single focal point; they produce Einstein rings/arcs and multiple images along a focal line.
- Discussion covers:
- Symmetry of lensing in principle vs practical irreversibility due to time delays and evolving configurations.
- Units (jansky/megajansky), astronomy’s CGS conventions, and style notes on SI prefixes.
- One commenter asks whether we’re already at the focal line of other massive lenses; the thread treats this as plausible in principle but leaves details of resolution and practicality unclear.
Timescales, frequency, and perspective
- Galaxy alignments are effectively static on human timescales but temporary over millions of years.
- Analogies to eclipses and the Copernican principle suggest such lenses should be common in the universe, though only a few will be well‑aligned from Earth.
- Several remarks reflect on the immense timescales involved and how small human concerns are in comparison.