Police illegally sell restricted weapons, supplying crime
Exaggerated Weapon Claims & Media Credibility
- Many commenters fixate on the article’s dramatic line about ammo “blowing through a tank and concrete and exploding 18 football fields away,” calling it physically impossible or cartoonish.
- This hyperbole leads some to question the article’s overall reliability, despite acknowledging the underlying issue is serious.
- Others suggest journalists may be parroting exaggerated claims from police, or padding stories with “macho” descriptions of weapons, undermining trust in the reporting.
Police Weapons Trafficking & Moral Hazard
- Core concern: police and small departments allegedly buying restricted or discounted weapons and reselling them (sometimes to criminals or cartels).
- ATF is portrayed as reluctant to prosecute “fellow law enforcement,” preferring “education,” which commenters see as a huge moral hazard.
- Multiple cases cited (New Mexico ring, multistate conspiracy with police chiefs and an arms dealer) suggest a pattern rather than isolated incidents.
California & Other Legal Loopholes
- California’s handgun “roster” and police exemptions are highlighted: officers can buy off-roster guns and then sell them to civilians, creating a gray-market profit opportunity.
- Some argue that laws creating artificial scarcity and government exemptions virtually guarantee such arbitrage.
Machine Guns, NFA, and “Assault Weapons” Debate
- Detailed discussions distinguish:
- Cops flipping ordinary guns with LE discounts.
- Off-roster handguns.
- “Assault weapons” resold illegally.
- Post‑1986 NFA “post-sample” machine guns acquired via law-enforcement demo letters.
- Several posters claim NFA‑registered post-1986 machine guns have never been used in violent crime; others note rare NFA crimes but agree the rate is extremely low.
- Long, contentious subthread over whether “assault weapons” are uniquely dangerous:
- One side: category is mostly cosmetic (pistol grips, barrel shrouds, etc.) and politically constructed.
- Other side: semi‑auto/select‑fire long guns with detachable magazines are inherently “weapons of war” and more relevant for mass shootings, even if handguns dominate overall gun deaths.
- Consensus: the term is legally and politically muddled, and the question is unsettled.
Federal vs Local Policing & Oversight
- Some argue for more federalized or external oversight to avoid local cronyism and reluctance to charge cops.
- Others warn a national police force or expanded federal power is a dystopian “single point of failure,” citing examples like DC and former communist states.
- Middle-ground view: keep local community policing but add strong, randomized, external auditing/investigation.
Justice, Sentencing, and NRA Politics
- Commenters contrast relatively light sentences (e.g., 5 years) for arms trafficking with historically harsh treatment of drug offenses.
- Debate over whether people are actually imprisoned for simple marijuana possession; data cited that numbers have fallen but are not zero.
- Some criticize gun-rights organizations for not defending civilians who use firearms in apparent self-defense against police, seeing this as evidence that gun control often exempts the state itself.
Broader Context & Culture
- Several posts argue that US gun culture and constitutional framing of gun rights are unique but intertwined with both civilian and military power.
- Others note minorities have long understood police corruption and weapons abuse; the article simply exposes it to a wider audience.
- Meta-comments accuse both the article and parts of the thread of misunderstanding firearms and displaying Dunning–Kruger effects.