Police illegally sell restricted weapons, supplying crime

Police in several U.S. jurisdictions have been caught acquiring restricted or discounted firearms and military-style equipment, then illegally reselling them — sometimes to cartels or other criminals — with minimal oversight or prosecution from agencies like the ATF. Commenters see this as a serious moral hazard created by carve-outs and exemptions for law enforcement in gun laws, especially in states like California, and by prosecutors’ reluctance to charge fellow officers. Much of the debate also centers on sensationalistic media coverage and confusion over terms like “assault weapons,” which some argue obscures the real policy and accountability problems.

Exaggerated Weapon Claims & Media Credibility

  • Many commenters fixate on the article’s dramatic line about ammo “blowing through a tank and concrete and exploding 18 football fields away,” calling it physically impossible or cartoonish.
  • This hyperbole leads some to question the article’s overall reliability, despite acknowledging the underlying issue is serious.
  • Others suggest journalists may be parroting exaggerated claims from police, or padding stories with “macho” descriptions of weapons, undermining trust in the reporting.

Police Weapons Trafficking & Moral Hazard

  • Core concern: police and small departments allegedly buying restricted or discounted weapons and reselling them (sometimes to criminals or cartels).
  • ATF is portrayed as reluctant to prosecute “fellow law enforcement,” preferring “education,” which commenters see as a huge moral hazard.
  • Multiple cases cited (New Mexico ring, multistate conspiracy with police chiefs and an arms dealer) suggest a pattern rather than isolated incidents.

California & Other Legal Loopholes

  • California’s handgun “roster” and police exemptions are highlighted: officers can buy off-roster guns and then sell them to civilians, creating a gray-market profit opportunity.
  • Some argue that laws creating artificial scarcity and government exemptions virtually guarantee such arbitrage.

Machine Guns, NFA, and “Assault Weapons” Debate

  • Detailed discussions distinguish:
    • Cops flipping ordinary guns with LE discounts.
    • Off-roster handguns.
    • “Assault weapons” resold illegally.
    • Post‑1986 NFA “post-sample” machine guns acquired via law-enforcement demo letters.
  • Several posters claim NFA‑registered post-1986 machine guns have never been used in violent crime; others note rare NFA crimes but agree the rate is extremely low.
  • Long, contentious subthread over whether “assault weapons” are uniquely dangerous:
    • One side: category is mostly cosmetic (pistol grips, barrel shrouds, etc.) and politically constructed.
    • Other side: semi‑auto/select‑fire long guns with detachable magazines are inherently “weapons of war” and more relevant for mass shootings, even if handguns dominate overall gun deaths.
    • Consensus: the term is legally and politically muddled, and the question is unsettled.

Federal vs Local Policing & Oversight

  • Some argue for more federalized or external oversight to avoid local cronyism and reluctance to charge cops.
  • Others warn a national police force or expanded federal power is a dystopian “single point of failure,” citing examples like DC and former communist states.
  • Middle-ground view: keep local community policing but add strong, randomized, external auditing/investigation.

Justice, Sentencing, and NRA Politics

  • Commenters contrast relatively light sentences (e.g., 5 years) for arms trafficking with historically harsh treatment of drug offenses.
  • Debate over whether people are actually imprisoned for simple marijuana possession; data cited that numbers have fallen but are not zero.
  • Some criticize gun-rights organizations for not defending civilians who use firearms in apparent self-defense against police, seeing this as evidence that gun control often exempts the state itself.

Broader Context & Culture

  • Several posts argue that US gun culture and constitutional framing of gun rights are unique but intertwined with both civilian and military power.
  • Others note minorities have long understood police corruption and weapons abuse; the article simply exposes it to a wider audience.
  • Meta-comments accuse both the article and parts of the thread of misunderstanding firearms and displaying Dunning–Kruger effects.