Electric cars could last much longer than you think

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Battery longevity and degradation

  • Multiple owners report modest EV battery degradation (often ~10% over several years and/or 100k+ km), especially when staying roughly within 20–80% state of charge and avoiding frequent fast charging.
  • Some hybrids (e.g., Prius NiMH packs) show very long life; individual bad cells can be replaced cheaply by handy owners.
  • Others note early Leaf packs without thermal management as a negative outlier with faster degradation, though some have still held up well.
  • Several posters argue that, for many modern EVs, suspension, seals, and other hardware will fail before the battery becomes unusable.
  • Skeptics argue that lab/early data may not predict behavior at 20–50 years, and worry about long‑term fire risk, but others counter that ICE vehicles also burn and batteries are fairly predictable under BMS control.

Corrosion, climate, and overall vehicle life

  • Debate over how long cars last in salted-road regions.
  • Some say modern coatings, materials, and plastic/aluminum panels mean 20‑year lifespans with little rust; others still see severe subframe/exhaust corrosion in ~10 years.
  • Discussion of galvanic and crevice corrosion at metal–metal and metal–plastic junctions; washing and waxing are seen as helpful but not a cure-all.

Repairability, service, and “disposable” concern

  • Major divide:
    • One side: modern EVs (and ICEs) are highly proprietary, require special tools/software, and battery replacement is so complex and expensive that a failed pack out of warranty can total the car. Packs are heavy, high‑voltage, hard to open safely, and OEMs don’t sell cell-level parts.
    • Other side: EVs have far fewer moving parts than ICEs; dedicated EV shops already exist (e.g., Norway), some packs are modular and serviceable, and aftermarket/prius‑style refurbishing is emerging.
  • Some posters argue modern ICE engines have also become effectively “single use” due to coatings, matched parts, access complexity, and high labor costs.

Standardization and modularity

  • Some dream of standardized EV chassis, motors, and especially batteries to ease repair and recelling, but others warn this would freeze innovation in a rapidly improving category.
  • BYD’s e‑axle and similar modules are cited as a partial standard for smaller manufacturers and trucks.
  • E‑bike and power‑tool batteries are used as cautionary examples that markets often resist standardization.

Driving experience and infrastructure

  • Many describe EVs as far nicer to drive: instant torque, quiet, minimal warm‑up, especially in cold climates with home charging.
  • Others criticize specific EVs (notably Tesla) for poor build quality, repair costs, intrusive software, and “subscription” features.
  • Charging infrastructure is described as patchy and inconsistent outside certain regions; home charging is seen as a major enabler.

Units, data quality, and studies

  • Several posts nitpick misuse of units (kW vs kWh, km vs KM) and argue better communication (e.g., range in days of typical use).
  • Some distrust industry‑linked studies on battery durability; others point out independent benchmarks and real-world fleet aging data.