China is the manufacturing superpower

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China’s Manufacturing Dominance

  • Commenters broadly accept that China is the single manufacturing “superpower,” with a wide and deep industrial base covering almost all UN industrial categories.
  • Its share (≈1/3 of global manufacturing) is seen as outsized but less shocking when adjusted for population; per capita, some note the US or Taiwan can look strong.
  • Several stress China’s scale in EVs, solar, batteries, steel, pharma, electronics, and rare-earth processing.

Implications for the US, EU, and Allies

  • US manufacturing is still large in absolute terms (bigger than tech, strong in oil, some advanced sectors), but has lost global share and key capabilities (e.g., shipbuilding, certain defense systems).
  • Some argue the US and Europe offshored too much for short‑term gain, hollowing out strategic capacity; others say rich countries logically specialized in services and high-value IP.
  • There’s debate over whether GDP-based manufacturing metrics hide differences in quality, complexity, and domestic vs export orientation.

Protectionism, Trade, and Industrial Policy

  • Lively argument over protectionism:
    • One camp: some protection is necessary for wages, resilience, and sovereignty; unlimited “efficiency” and dependence on low‑wage producers is dangerous.
    • Other camp: protectionism raises costs, misallocates resources, and in the long run impoverishes everyone; better to trade and redistribute via taxes.
  • China’s own industrial policy and high protection are cited as successful examples of long‑run strategic planning; others highlight massive distortions, overcapacity, and debt.

Security and Great‑Power Competition

  • Many link manufacturing directly to military power and wartime resilience, invoking WWII and Ukraine (ammo, drones, artillery).
  • Several doubt the claim that the US is the lone “military superpower” if measured by usable output and surge capacity rather than spending.
  • Concern that China could outproduce the US in a prolonged conflict; others stress Western superiority in certain high‑end systems (e.g., 5th‑gen fighters).

Supply Chains, “Decoupling,” and Tariff Laundering

  • Consensus that full “decoupling” from China would be extremely hard; all major manufacturers depend on Chinese inputs.
  • Noted trends: partial shifts of assembly to Mexico, Vietnam, India, etc., often still heavily reliant on Chinese components.
  • Some describe widespread “manufacturing laundering” (Chinese goods routed through third countries to dodge tariffs), while others cite research suggesting it’s smaller than commonly assumed.

China’s Internal Challenges and Long‑Term Outlook

  • Discussed vulnerabilities: demographic decline, overbuilt real estate, weak consumer demand, debt‑laden financial system, export dependence, and political centralization.
  • Opinions diverge:
    • One side expects stagnation or eventual crisis (autocracy, debt, demographics).
    • Another says repeated “China is about to collapse” narratives have been wrong, and the state keeps adapting (e.g., heavy bets on AI and automation).

Onshoring and Phones as a Case Study

  • Example: a US‑assembled phone (Librem 5 USA) costs far more and is far less powerful than cheap Chinese/Asian phones, illustrating how hard it is to rebuild full-stack manufacturing domestically.
  • Some argue the US “can” make phones but shouldn’t on pure economics; others say national security justifies deliberate, costly redundancy.