Subway crime plummets as ridership jumps significantly in congestion pricing era

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Overall safety vs perception

  • Many commenters argue NYC subways are very safe given scale: ~3.8M daily rides and 147 reported crimes in a month is seen as remarkably low.
  • Several people say media and social networks amplify rare, horrific incidents (burning, track shoves) to create a distorted “crime-ridden” narrative.
  • Others counter that focusing on per-capita rates minimizes the impact a single high-profile attack can have on public fear and ridership.

Underreporting and statistics

  • Multiple comments claim substantial underreporting: victims don’t bother if they expect no response, and police sometimes refuse or downgrade reports.
  • One self-identified officer alleges systemic “management” of crime stats: downgrades, dismissals, desk appearance tickets that later “disappear,” suggesting official numbers understate reality.
  • Skeptics reply that even if stats are imperfect, trends over time still show improvement, and lived experience is a biased metric.

Subway vs cars and other risks

  • Long subthread compares subway violence to car crashes:
    • Cited figures: ~10 subway murders/year vs ~250 traffic deaths in NYC, with fewer daily drivers than riders.
    • Several insist cars are objectively far more dangerous per person, but society normalizes vehicular harm as “accidents.”
  • Some argue “agency” matters: people feel more in control driving than trapped in a train car, even if that’s statistically misleading.

Policing, cameras, and causes of decline

  • Disagreement over what reduced crime:
    • Explanations include: more cops and National Guard in the system, congestion pricing boosting ridership (“eyes on the street”), and pandemic-era crime spikes naturally receding.
  • Some see police presence as effective deterrence; others say it’s mostly theater, and that long-term crime reduction comes from social services, not punitive responses.
  • Cameras are viewed by many as a net positive for solving crime; a few doubt they deter the kind of extreme, impulsive violence being discussed.

Rider experiences, fear, and social conditions

  • Long-time riders report rarely seeing serious crime and feeling safe; others recount frequent harassment, especially women and Asian riders.
  • Homelessness, mental illness, and “uncomfortable incidents” are said to be common but mostly non-criminal, yet psychologically impactful.
  • Comparisons to London and other global cities split: some say NYC feels uniquely menacing; others say it’s comparable or safer, with perception heavily colored by culture and media.