Extreme poverty in India has dropped to negligible levels

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Relativity of Poverty and Expectations

  • Several commenters argue that poverty is inherently relative: as material conditions improve, expectations and perceived deprivation rise.
  • Others counter that this framing can be used to dismiss real inequality and suffering, since “better than the past” doesn’t imply “acceptable now.”

Validity of the $2.15 Extreme Poverty Line

  • Strong skepticism toward the international poverty line: critics say it’s so low it mostly functions to create a narrative of success.
  • Objections: it is income-based, doesn’t directly capture calories, nutrition, sanitation, shelter, or health; people living just above it can still be in deep deprivation.
  • Defenders respond that you need some simple metric for tracking change over billions of people, and that PPP-adjusted lines are at least a consistent, if crude, baseline.

India’s Hunger, Nutrition, and Health

  • Multiple comments stress the disconnect between “negligible extreme poverty” and India’s serious malnutrition, stunting, and child wasting figures.
  • Some note UNICEF and similar data that show malnutrition improving over time, but progress has slowed recently.
  • A long subthread focuses on diet: carb-heavy vegetarian patterns, protein deficits, and cultural or religious opposition to eggs and meat in public programs are blamed for poor height and health outcomes, even in non‑hungry middle‑class families.

Data Quality, Indices, and Politics

  • Some commenters say Indian poverty progress is overstated: agricultural employment is rising because people pushed out of cities are reclassified as “employed” on family farms.
  • Global indices (hunger, inequality, “goodness” metrics) are attacked from both sides: one camp calls them biased or pseudo-scientific; another says attempts to discredit them are themselves politically motivated.
  • There’s contention over whether the specific study behind the “negligible” claim uses unrealistically low benchmarks.

Sanitation, Culture, and Governance

  • Many anecdotes describe extreme filth, open trash, and public spitting; others report gradual improvements in trains, flights, and some cities.
  • Explanations range from deep poverty and weak urban governance to cultural norms and low civic responsibility; some emphasize corruption and low trust.
  • Comparisons with China focus on its stronger central planning, city-level autonomy, and export-led industrialization; India’s democratic, fragmented, and identity-driven politics are seen as slowing similar progress.

Unfinished Agenda

  • Commenters emphasize that “negligible extreme poverty” still corresponds to millions of people, and that true economic security requires far higher incomes, better infrastructure, sanitation, healthcare, and education.