Rickover's Lessons
Rickover’s Leadership Style and Culture
- Seen as a demanding, abrasive, almost tyrannical leader who “got things done” through extreme personal accountability, nightly deep reviews, and zero tolerance for bullshit.
- Multiple commenters with submarine/nuclear backgrounds say his no-nonsense culture—“you get what you INspect, not what you EXpect”—was the most formative professional influence of their lives.
- Others stress his style depended on unique Cold War, military, and budgetary conditions (including the ability to jail subordinates) and would be unacceptable or illegal in most civilian settings.
Accountability, Responsibility, and Incentives
- Strong emphasis on his philosophy that responsibility cannot be delegated away; someone must clearly own outcomes when things go wrong.
- Several argue modern “blameless” incident culture often erases responsibility, hiding recurring individual performance problems behind more “guardrails.”
- Broader discussion of incentives: sales comp, executive pay (e.g., Boeing), and measurement dysfunction; “show me the incentive and I’ll show you the outcome.”
Quality, Corporate Power, and Decline
- Rickover’s 1982 testimony criticizing corporate short-termism and financial engineering is highlighted as prescient.
- Some attribute current U.S. quality problems (including submarine construction) to lazy or demoralized workers; others redirect blame to managers, VCs, and misaligned metrics.
Rickover vs Today’s Tech Work
- Several commenters argue tech should adopt more of his ethos: deep mastery, continuous drills, rigorous training, intolerance for hand-waving, and focus on fundamentals rather than cargo-cult abstractions.
- Others warn that cult-of-personality leadership and extreme pressure come with psychological costs (suicide anecdotes, “Skipjack Skydiving Club”) and can slide into abuse.
Paper Reactors, LLMs, and “Vibe Coding”
- His critique of “paper reactors” (theoretical designs looking better than real, battle-tested systems) is likened to LLM-generated “vibe code” and hand-wavy PoCs.
- Gap between demos and reliable, production systems is emphasized as large, invisible to non-specialists, and chronically underestimated.
Submarines, AUKUS, and Strategy
- Australians in the thread express frustration that U.S. submarine capability and AUKUS look like an expensive protection racket with limited real transfer of platforms or command.
- Others frame it as part of a broader, imperfect but stabilizing collective-security and nonproliferation system aimed at countering China.
Legacy and Controversies
- Discussion notes internal hatred within the Navy, allegations of a “cult of personality,” and debates over his handling of accidents like Thresher.
- Simultaneously, his focus on training potential rather than hiring “the best,” and his influence on figures like Jimmy Carter, earn significant admiration.