US accidentally sent Maryland father to Salvadorian prison, can't get him back
Intent vs “Accident”
- Many commenters reject the idea this was a mere “accident,” arguing it was the foreseeable result of a system intentionally designed to strip people of legal recourse and make abuses irreversible.
- “Can’t” get him back is widely interpreted as “won’t even try,” which is seen as politically convenient for demonstrating toughness and instilling fear.
Jurisdiction, Guantanamo, and Extraterritorial Punishment
- The administration’s claim that US courts lack jurisdiction once someone leaves US custody is called both logically and morally untenable.
- Strong parallels are drawn to Guantanamo Bay: using non‑US soil to evade constitutional protections, torture precedents, and “no man’s land” detention.
- Commenters note the inconsistency with the US demanding extraterritorial obedience from foreign companies to US executive orders.
El Salvador, CECOT, and Bukele
- CECOT is described as a brutal, quasi‑concentration camp used as deterrent theater; some see El Salvador’s president as a willing partner eager for US approval.
- There is skepticism toward praising his gang crackdown, given lack of due process and alleged authoritarian overreach.
Evidence, MS‑13 Allegations, and Court Orders
- A federal judge had granted “withholding of removal” specifically barring deportation to El Salvador; sending him anyway is seen as flatly unlawful.
- The supposed MS‑13 link appears to rest on a confidential informant and superficial indicators (tattoos, clothing), which many view as dangerously low evidentiary standards.
- One commenter counters that he had been previously scheduled for deportation and frames this as “wrong country” rather than wrongful deportation; others reply that current protections overrode that.
Due Process, Deportation Scale, and “Papers Please”
- Core theme: deny due process to one group and it becomes easy to deny it to anyone.
- A major sub‑thread debates how to “scale” deportations for millions:
- Some argue the volume makes full process impossible.
- Others insist resources must be expanded, not rights curtailed, and that speed is not a valid excuse to bypass the law.
- “Papers please” enforcement is criticized as un‑American, prone to wrongful detention of citizens, and historically associated with authoritarian states.
Comparisons to Authoritarian Regimes
- Many liken the trajectory to early‑stage Nazi Germany, Maoist campaigns, or fascist police states; a minority push back, arguing this is hyperbolic and that current abuses are still far from 1940s mass extermination.
- Several stress the lesson that waiting until “camps are built” is already too late.
Broader Principles and Slippery Slope
- Commenters invoke founding principles (jury trials, no transportation overseas for “pretended offenses”) and the idea it is better that guilty go free than innocents suffer.
- Widespread fear that systems built for “illegals” or alleged gang members will inevitably be turned on political opponents and, eventually, ordinary citizens.