You wouldn't steal a font
Anti‑piracy ad irony (font and music)
- The “You wouldn’t steal a car” campaign is mocked for likely using a cloned or pirated font (XBAND Rough) that itself appears to have cloned a commercial font (FF Confidential).
- Some links suggest the campaign also mishandled or underpaid for music in at least one related anti‑piracy ad, reinforcing the “IP enforcers break IP law” narrative.
- Several commenters see this as emblematic of rights‑holder hypocrisy and sloppy outsourcing to low‑bid agencies.
Are fonts copyrightable? Jurisdictional split
- In the US, the typeface design (glyph shapes) is not copyrightable, but the digital font program (outline data, hinting code) is. Clean‑room clones of shapes are generally legal; direct copying of files isn’t.
- Design patents and trademarks (e.g., font names, distinctive branding uses) can add protection, but are time‑limited (patents) or scope‑limited (trademark).
- In the UK, EU, Germany, Russia and others, typefaces themselves can enjoy explicit copyright protection, so cloning shapes may infringe there. FACT/FAST, behind the ad, are UK‑based, which matters.
Was XBAND Rough actually “stolen”?
- Evidence: a campaign PDF embeds an XBAND Rough font subset, suggesting direct use of that font, not just visual imitation.
- Discussion reconstructs a plausible timeline where XBAND Rough is a clone of FF Confidential, created for a 1990s game company (Catapult/XBAND), whose copyright notice appears inside the font file.
- It remains unclear whether XBAND Rough itself was a legal clone of FF Confidential or a file‑level rip; commenters note you’d need technical forensics to prove copying of the original font program.
How font copying is detected (and PDFs help)
- PDFs often embed subsets of full font files so documents render anywhere; inspecting the PDF can reveal internal font names and outlines.
- That makes it relatively easy to prove that a particular font file was used, as opposed to a hand‑redrawn knock‑off.
- Some services and crawlers now scan the web and apps for unlicensed webfonts, generating enforcement actions and sometimes large settlements.
Moral views on copyright and piracy
- One camp sees weakening respect for copyright as dangerous and laments that people don’t recognize fonts as real creative labor.
- Another camp views copyright (and especially modern extensions) as a rent‑seeking legal fiction, often misaligned with its supposed purpose of “promoting progress,” and thinks hypocrisy by rights‑holders undermines its moral legitimacy.
- AI training on copyrighted material is raised as a parallel: many who condemn piracy accept massive, unconsented copying for model training.
Font licensing, pricing, and frustration
- Designers describe strict policies: agencies insist on buying fonts from vendors even if someone can “find” them elsewhere; web and app licenses are tightly controlled and tracked.
- Developers and indie creators complain that:
- Traditional print licenses are cheap and perpetual, while app/web licenses are per‑seat, per‑domain, per‑impression, or annual—and can exceed small project budgets.
- Embedding fonts in games/apps, or even baking glyphs into texture atlases, often violates licenses.
- Some report real‑world enforcement, including five‑figure settlement demands.
- Others argue foundries are rationally prioritizing a few big corporate customers willing to pay high fees over many small buyers at low prices.
Open fonts and “why steal at all?”
- Many point to Google Fonts and other open‑source collections (thousands of families) plus high‑quality system fonts (e.g., from Apple/Microsoft) as more than sufficient for nearly all practical UI and publishing work.
- Counter‑argument: free fonts are often overused or lack nuanced features, full language coverage, or the distinctiveness needed for serious branding; paid fonts are likened to “high‑end ingredients.”
Originality and ethics of type design
- Some commenters downplay originality, arguing most modern fonts are tweaks of centuries‑old designs and deeply derivative.
- Others, including people who’ve designed fonts, emphasize the huge craft effort: hundreds/thousands of glyphs, kerning pairs, hinting, ligatures, and media‑specific optimizations.
- There’s agreement that, in US law at least, this “sweat of the brow” doesn’t automatically justify broader copyright over shapes themselves, so designers should expect cloning and price/position their work accordingly.
AI and the future of font “liberation”
- Several speculate that LLMs and other models could:
- Generate SVGs and font outlines in a given style from a small sample of glyphs.
- Extend existing typefaces across Unicode or auto‑fix kerning.
- One legal analysis suggests an “AI hole”: if AI clean‑room‑recreates a font’s shapes without copying code, in the US the result might both avoid infringement and itself be uncopyrightable, potentially undermining traditional foundry business models—at least unless new laws are passed.