Old Soviet Venus descent craft nearing Earth reentry

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Pop culture and nostalgia

  • Many recall the Six Million Dollar Man “Death Probe” episode, Superman phone-booth gags, and Underdog, joking that this scenario feels like 1970s sci‑fi come true.
  • Side nostalgia tangent on phone booths and retro tech (arcade cabinets, old elevators) as physical relics of past eras.

Soviet engineering style and Venus design

  • Commenters note it’s “stereotypically Soviet” that a simple, rugged system designed for Venus might partially work in an unintended Earth‑orbital context.
  • Venus’s extreme lower atmosphere means chutes become unnecessary there; some speculate the chute system may have gasodynamic or purely mechanical triggers (e.g., g‑threshold) that could have mis‑fired in Earth orbit.
  • Broader discussion of Soviet design philosophy: crude, minimal, physics‑driven, but often very robust and repairable, contrasted with more specialized Western designs.

Should we recover it? Technical and economic feasibility

  • Several people fantasize about a “rescue mission” to bring the lander back as a museum piece or long‑term materials test article.
  • Others argue no current operational system is truly suited:
    • Shuttle-era capture and return was unique but extremely expensive and is now gone.
    • Dragon has the mass capacity but can’t return anything riding in its unshielded trunk, and getting a 1‑meter, half‑ton object through the crew hatch is unrealistic.
    • Starship could in principle do it later, but that capability doesn’t exist yet.
  • Rendezvous with a tumbling object is nontrivial; discussion touches on rotation physics, Dzhanibekov effect, and why “just match its tumble” is not straightforward.
  • General consensus: technically possible with lots of money and bespoke hardware, but not justifiable for nostalgia.

Reentry behavior, risk, and loads

  • The Venus lander section is designed for ~300 g and ~100 atmospheres, so it will almost certainly survive to the surface, but “survive” likely means a high‑speed impact (lithobraking), not a soft landing.
  • Debate over the term “acceleration vs. deceleration,” with multiple people pointing out that in physics, deceleration is just acceleration with opposite sign.
  • Comparisons made to artillery‑launched electronics and gun scopes that survive thousands of g’s; aerospace hardware routinely endures extreme loads.
  • Some wonder if an already‑deployed parachute would burn up; no clear answer in the thread.

Ownership and space law

  • Prior precedent: a Soviet fragment that landed in New Zealand was legally the farmer’s because the USSR denied ownership.
  • Question raised about who “owns” Soviet debris now; answer: Russia is widely treated as the continuation state for such purposes under international law, though some note other Soviet successor states could contest the moral claim.

Value for science and museums

  • Some argue a flown relic exposed to 50 years in orbit would be a fantastic museum object but offers little unique science versus “flight spares” on Earth.
  • Others still see intrinsic value in studying long‑term space exposure on real hardware.

Probe and mission failures: lens caps, unit errors, bureaucracy

  • Thread revisits Venera’s infamous lens‑cap failures and the Venera 14 soil tester measuring its own cap instead of Venusian soil.
  • Jokes about imaginary Soviet “Commissars for Lens Caps” getting blamed, but also comparison to Western failures:
    • Mars Climate Orbiter’s metric/imperial mix‑up, where concerns raised by engineers were dismissed due to formality/bureaucracy.
    • Other missions (e.g., Genesis accelerometer orientation) cited as examples of tiny errors causing catastrophic loss.
  • Several commenters reflect on the emotional toll of such failures; one story describes a JPL engineer leaving NASA for high‑school teaching after his mission was lost.

Unit systems and metric vs. imperial

  • Mars Climate Orbiter discussion expands into a long debate on the U.S.’s continued use of imperial units.
  • Non‑US commenters criticize imperial as error‑prone and historically costly; cite countries (e.g., Australia) that transitioned successfully via strong campaigns and “cold‑turkey” policies.
  • Some Americans acknowledge the benefits of metric but note perceived transition costs and resistance from adults already fluent in imperial.

Soviet failure culture and politics (briefly)

  • Side discussion on how the USSR treated technical failures:
    • Under Stalin, engineers like Korolev and Tupolev were imprisoned on bogus charges and forced to work in “sharashka” design prisons.
    • Later Soviet space and engineering sectors are described as relative “safe havens” for technical elites, with less arbitrary punishment than in the 1930s purges.
  • This devolves into broader argument about Western vs. Soviet atrocities, Russia’s current politics, and media portrayals—largely off‑topic to the probe itself.

Risk to people, whales, and biosafety

  • Most assume it will burn partially and either crater in an uninhabited area or fall into the ocean; the chance of hitting any particular person, or a whale, is characterized informally as effectively zero.
  • Jokes reference Douglas Adams, Night of the Living Dead, and fanciful scenarios like it landing, surviving, and sending back pictures of sheep or camels.
  • One question raises whether the craft could harbor ancient pathogens.
    • Replies: unlikely, given pre‑launch sterilization, extreme Venus‑design hardening, and decades of radiation and temperature cycles in orbit.
    • Some concede it’s not absolutely impossible in a sci‑fi sense but scientifically not a realistic concern.