Starship Flight 9 booster explodes on impact [video]

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SpaceX’s ninth Starship test flight saw the Super Heavy booster explode during its planned landing burn and the upper stage lose attitude control after engine cutoff, preventing a controlled reentry and payload door test. Commenters debate whether these outcomes reflect acceptable “push it until it breaks” engineering tradeoffs or signs of deeper design and management problems, especially around Starship’s second-stage reusability and thermal protection. The exchange also widens into questions about Elon Musk’s role, Starship’s economic rationale beyond Starlink, and how its ambitious goals compare with past programs like Falcon 9, the Space Shuttle, and Soviet heavy-lift efforts.

What Happened in Flight 9

  • Booster and Starship separated successfully; this was the first reflight of a full Super Heavy booster and a “used” configuration was intentionally stressed.
  • The booster was never intended to be caught; it was to splash down after an aggressive re‑entry and landing‑burn test.
  • Starship reached engine cutoff (“SECO”), achieving near‑orbital speed on a suborbital trajectory, further than the prior two flights.

Booster Loss: Expected Experiment vs Premature Failure

  • Multiple commenters stress that “explosion” was within the test envelope: they were pushing control authority, angle of attack, and engine‑out scenarios to find limits.
  • However, several note the commentary and timing suggest it failed earlier than expected, at or just after landing‑burn ignition, not on water impact.
  • Lack of good re‑entry video fuels uncertainty; “exploded on impact” in the headline is called out as likely inaccurate or at least unproven.

Starship Upper Stage Performance and Issues

  • Key progress: first Block 2 Starship to complete SECO and reach planned suborbital velocity.
  • Soon after SECO, observers saw debris shedding (inside and outside) and apparent leaks; tumbling grew worse over time.
  • The payload bay (“pez‑dispenser” door) failed to open, mock Starlink deployment was not attempted, and re‑entry was uncontrolled with no engine relight.
  • Some argue SECO isn’t a full success if shutdown‑induced shocks caused the subsequent leak/failure.

Development Approach and Pace

  • One camp sees rapid, hardware‑rich iteration (“fly it until it breaks”) as appropriate and historically successful for SpaceX, despite bad optics.
  • Others argue Starship has been in development long enough that persistent upper‑stage issues point to management, scope, or process problems.
  • Heated comparisons are made to Saturn V and the Space Shuttle timelines; participants disagree whether Starship is “fast” or “behind” given its ambition.

Economics, Use Cases, and Reuse Concerns

  • Skeptics question what problem Starship solves beyond Starlink and a Mars vision many consider speculative, given Falcon 9/Havy already dominate LEO.
  • Strong concern centers on the second stage: complex, multi‑engine, heavy, and needing a robust, rapid‑turnaround thermal protection system that “no one has yet.”
  • Some fear Starship becomes a money pit if the upper stage cannot be made cheaply, rapidly reusable; others counter that Starlink and possible government/defense demand can justify it.

Debate Over Musk and SpaceX’s Direction

  • Discussion splits between those crediting Musk’s high‑risk decisions (stainless steel, tower “chopstick” catches, Starlink, reusability) and those arguing SpaceX thrives despite him.
  • Broader criticism touches on Musk’s political actions and alleged humanitarian harms, with some saying these outweigh any “benefit to humanity” from Starship.
  • Several participants lament that polarized views on Musk make neutral engineering discussion difficult; some explicitly root for Starship while disliking its CEO.

Broader Significance and Public Perception

  • Many emphasize that Starship attempts something unprecedented: fully reusable, super‑heavy lift with airline‑like turnaround, implying a long, failure‑rich path.
  • Fans highlight SpaceX’s track record: prior “impossible” goals (booster reuse, Falcon Heavy, Starlink scale, tower catches) eventually achieved.
  • Skeptics respond that prior Falcon 9 success doesn’t guarantee Starship’s economics or technical feasibility, especially for second‑stage reuse and Mars ambitions.