Marines being mobilized in response to LA protests
Legal basis and Posse Comitatus
- Strong focus on whether the deployment of Marines violates the Posse Comitatus Act.
- Several comments clarify Trump has not invoked the Insurrection Act; instead federal forces (Guard + Marines) are framed as “Title 10” support to protect federal personnel and property.
- A cited law professor argues they cannot lawfully perform ordinary law enforcement under Title 10, only force protection and logistics; anything more risks violating Posse Comitatus.
- Others note presidents can federalize the National Guard without a governor’s consent, but using active‑duty Marines against civilians is seen as crossing a new line.
Authoritarian slide and historical parallels
- Many see this as a deliberate test of limits and a “salami tactic” toward competitive authoritarianism, referencing Orbán, Erdoğan, Project 2025, and Trump’s past rhetoric about shooting protesters.
- Kent State, Tiananmen, Little Rock desegregation, 1992 LA riots, and Andor’s “Ghorman massacre” are invoked as analogues.
- Some believe the administration wants a bloody incident to rally its base and justify martial law; others call that reading speculative but concede precedents are being set.
Military vs police roles
- Debate over whether Marines are inherently “trained to kill” and unsuited for crowd control, versus veterans saying modern rules of engagement and de‑escalation are often stricter than local police.
- Anecdotes from prior deployments (Katrina, 1992 LA, foreign occupations) illustrate both professionalism and risks of miscommunication and overreaction.
- Concern centers on optics and normalization: once troops appear on US streets for domestic politics, future presidents of any party can reuse that tool.
Protests, riots, and violence
- Conflicting descriptions: some on-the-ground voices insist protests are geographically small and “largely peaceful,” with rock‑throwing following tear gas.
- Others cite local news of Molotov cocktails, rocks, fireworks, freeway blockages, shattered windows, looting, arson, and assaults on officers.
- Disagreement over whether local law enforcement is overwhelmed or handling it; whether Newsom is responsibly resisting federal overreach or neglecting public order.
Immigration, due process, and targeting
- Sharp split between “enforcing existing law” versus “authoritarian roundups.”
- Critics emphasize alleged due‑process violations, deportations of legal residents or visa holders, and theatrical raids (e.g., Home Depot, school graduations) designed for TV optics and to inflame communities.
- Others stress the burden of high unauthorized immigration and defend ICE operations while opposing militarization.
- Widespread frustration that employers of undocumented workers face minimal penalties; proposals include aggressive employer fines and universal E‑Verify.
Broader political and cultural threads
- Recurrent themes: weaponized polarization, media spectacle, and US institutions failing to check executive power.
- Some argue violent protest and property destruction are tactically self‑defeating and hand Trump an easy “law and order” narrative; others say state violence and lawbreaking by government came first.
- Meta‑discussion about HN becoming politicized and the difficulty of distinguishing fact from narrative in real time.