Juneteenth in Photos

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What Juneteenth Commemorates

  • Multiple commenters clarify that:
    • The Emancipation Proclamation (1863) did not end all slavery; it exempted Union slave states and Confederate areas already under Union control.
    • Juneteenth (June 19, 1865) marks General Order No. 3 and enforcement of emancipation in Texas, not the literal last enslaved people in the U.S.
    • Legal abolition nationwide came with ratification of the 13th Amendment in December 1865; some note Delaware and other Union states still had slavery until then.
  • Several point out the 13th Amendment’s “punishment for crime” clause and argue that prison labor is effectively a continuation of slavery; others dispute that as an overreach, saying criminal punishment differs fundamentally from chattel slavery, leading to a long subthread on convict leasing, Black Codes, and definitions of “slave.”

Debate Over the Name: “Juneteenth” vs. “Emancipation Day”

  • One major thread argues “Emancipation Day” is clearer for people unfamiliar with the history; “Juneteenth” is seen by some as opaque and “not a real word.”
  • Others reply:
    • Juneteenth is a long-standing, community-originated name (a June + -teenth portmanteau), now in dictionaries and law; renaming it would be erasure.
    • Many holidays have opaque names (Christmas, Easter, Mardi Gras, Cinco de Mayo, Whit Monday, D-Day, Fourth of July); lack of understanding is an education issue, not a naming failure.
    • Objections to “Juneteenth” are viewed by some as coded discomfort with a term rooted in Black culture/AAVE; defenders explicitly value that it “sounds Black” and centers Black American experience rather than white “emancipators.”
    • Others find explicitly tying the holiday to AAVE or “centering Blackness” off-putting or “unprofessional,” prompting pushback that U.S. life is already white-centered.

Who Celebrates and How Widely It’s Known

  • Commenters note uneven awareness:
    • In Texas and some Southern communities, Juneteenth/Emancipation observances are longstanding.
    • Anecdotes from California suggest many Black residents treat it as “just a day,” while others celebrate visibly; there’s disagreement over how representative these anecdotes are.
  • Several remark that many Americans only learned about Juneteenth recently; some non-Americans say they’d never heard of it and question why they should know U.S. holiday names.

Broader Reflections and Meta-Discussion

  • Some emphasize Juneteenth as evidence the U.S. can change and “beat slavery,” while others stress that slavery persisted in new forms (especially via the criminal legal system).
  • A side discussion emerges about HN moderation, dog whistles, and tone: users argue over how to respond to perceived racist or revisionist comments, and whether focusing on civility over content enables harmful speech.
  • A few voices urge focusing on the photos, stories, and the gravity of emancipation rather than getting stuck on naming minutiae.