What happens when housing prices go down?
Build-More Debate and Local Examples
- Many argue “we haven’t really tried build-more”: decades of restrictive zoning, single-family mandates, and permitting bottlenecks in major cities.
- Others counter with examples where supply did expand and prices softened or stabilized: Austin, parts of Texas and Florida, Vancouver/Toronto, Auckland’s mass upzoning, Cambridge MA ending single-family zoning.
- Several note that builders build primarily where they can profit, not simply where need exists; land, infrastructure (runoff, utilities), and compliance costs push toward large, expensive projects rather than small, cheap units.
Supply vs Demand, and What ‘Demand’ Means
- One thread claims policy only talks about supply and ignores demand. Others say demand is discussed, just indirectly via subsidies, immigration, and multi-home ownership.
- Strong disagreement over definitions: some insist “demand” requires ability and willingness to pay at current prices; others talk about “unmet demand” from overcrowded, concealed, or homeless households priced out of the market.
- Drivers of rising demand mentioned: more one-person and post-divorce households, strong preference for cities, immigration, and very limited willingness to share space long-term.
Landlords, Ownership Models, and Social Housing
- A highly active sub-thread argues the landlord model is inherently unjust: tenants effectively pay off the asset yet never own it; proposals include banning landlords, limiting number of homes per owner, or requiring rent-to-own/co-ops.
- Counterarguments: landlords take real financial risk, provide capital and mobility, and some projects fail; removing profit would sharply reduce new construction.
- Social housing is proposed as an alternative; others recall failed or stigmatized public projects, while some point to successful programs and emphasize design, maintenance, and governance as key.
Price Drops, Construction Cycles, and Finance
- Several commenters say the article confuses cause and effect: more supply leads to lower prices; lower prices then naturally slow new building once profitability falls—“mission accomplished” if affordability has improved.
- Others emphasize financing structure: falling prices can make lenders and large developers pull back, especially with high interest rates, thin margins, and long build pipelines, potentially stalling needed supply.
- Political economy looms large: homeowners and financial institutions are powerful constituencies; large, sudden price declines threaten perceived wealth and often prompt policy responses (rate cuts, bailouts, zoning resistance).
NIMBYism, Zoning, and Structural Issues
- NIMBY opposition (property values, parking, “neighborhood character”) is described as a major brake on infill, ADUs, and “missing middle” housing, even when local politicians want more units.
- Some see housing problems as symptoms of broader financialization: housing as a primary investment vehicle, leveraged by cheap money and protected by regulation and bailouts, rather than treated as basic infrastructure.