‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

Killing and Settler Violence

• The thread centers on video‑documented killing of Awdah/Odeh Hathaleen by a West Bank settler, including claims he used a demolition excavator against unarmed Palestinians and directed soldiers to arrest surviving family members, while he was released to house arrest.
• Many see this as part of a long‑running pattern of settler attacks, displacement and home demolitions in the West Bank, described variously as “ethnic cleansing,” “colonialism,” and “genocide,” not just “occupation.”
• Skepticism is widespread that any serious conviction will follow; prior settler prosecutions are seen as rare and often symbolic.

Terrorism, Genocide, and Language

• Multiple commenters argue these acts are terrorism and that Israel itself functions as a “terrorist organization” when it enables or shields settler and military violence against civilians.
• Others note terrorism is a politically applied label used to justify atrocities; they point out similar behavior by the US and other states is rarely branded “terrorism.”
• France’s choice to formally label this killing terrorism is flagged as a possible shift.
• There is extended argument over collective punishment and genocide: some say Gaza starvation and mass killing fit the legal and moral definitions; others deny genocidal intent and stress Hamas’s Oct 7 attacks and hostage‑taking.

Religion, Ideology, and Historical Analogies

• Biblical texts (especially Deuteronomy) and concepts like “nachala” are discussed as ideological roots for some settler movements; Hamas’s use of hadith is noted as a parallel on the Palestinian side.
• Several comments draw lines from modern Zionism to earlier ethno‑nationalisms, including Nazi analogies; others reject 1:1 Holocaust comparisons as historically illiterate, even while condemning current policies.
• Comparisons are made with Native American dispossession, South African apartheid, and European border wars to argue both that such conflicts are historically common and that they usually end only when one side decisively “wins” or an external hegemon imposes order.

International Role and Media / Information War

• The US is criticized for lifting sanctions on the named settler, funding Israel militarily, and shielding it diplomatically, while some note Canada, France and others are starting to talk sanctions or conditioning recognition.
• Peacekeeping‑force proposals in Gaza/West Bank are debated: some see them as the only plausible check on both Hamas and Israel; others cite past UN failures and say no great power is willing to do the hard part.
• There are long subthreads on casualty statistics, “settlers vs IDF vs PA,” and alleged propaganda by all major media, UN bodies, and social platforms. Some see a pro‑Israel bias; others see an anti‑Israel one.

Two‑State, One‑State, and “No Solution” Positions

• One side argues Israel has made a viable two‑state solution impossible via settlements, bantustanized Palestinian areas, and de facto annexation; they favor a single democratic state with equal citizenship and legal quotas to prevent domination.
• Others insist one state would quickly degenerate into civil war and mass killing; they see two states as still less bad, or claim Palestinian factions have repeatedly rejected statehood offers.
• A sizable contingent is openly pessimistic: they see an entrenched cycle of violence, regional power politics, nuclear deterrence, and domestic incentives (Netanyahu’s survival, Hamas’s power) making any near‑term just settlement unlikely.

Inside Israel and Among Jews

• Some comments stress significant Israeli opposition to the current government, settlers and Gaza war; others counter with polling that majorities support expelling Gazans and show little concern for Gaza’s humanitarian crisis.
• Detailed breakdowns of Israeli social groups (working‑class Jews, religious Zionists, secular professionals, various Orthodox communities, Palestinian citizens) highlight that enthusiasm for settlers is concentrated but broader society often tolerates or enables them.
• Diaspora Jewish opinion is described as fractured: some feel October 7 proved the need for a strong Jewish state; others say Israel’s actions endanger Jews globally and repudiate Zionism.

Moral Framing

• The thread is saturated with moral language: “monsters,” “nazis,” “apartheid,” “ethnic cleansing,” “self‑defense,” “right to exist.”
• One recurring divide: whether Hamas’s crimes and regional hostility can ever justify large‑scale killing and starvation of civilians; critics say no circumstances can excuse it, defenders see it as tragic but necessary war to prevent future October 7‑style attacks.