Is 4chan the perfect Pirate Bay poster child to justify wider UK site-blocking?
Scope of the UK Online Safety Act and Ofcom Powers
- Commenters outline that Ofcom can order payment providers, advertisers, and ISPs to cut off sites, plus impose large fines and potential criminal liability on senior managers.
- Some argue Ofcom is “powerless” and ISP blocks are symbolic; others counter that the UK has already forced concessions (e.g. Apple’s encryption rollback) and passed the Act after a decade of pressure.
- There’s concern that 4chan is being used as a politically convenient “test case” to normalize broader blocking of non‑pirate and non‑porn sites.
Child Protection, Age Verification, and Privacy
- Supporters emphasize harms to minors: porn, self‑harm content, grooming, bullying, and algorithmic targeting; they see duties of care and risk assessments as analogous to safety rules in physical venues.
- Critics say “protect the children” is a pretext: age‑gating at scale implies de‑facto identity infrastructure, mass surveillance, and future censorship (Wikipedia and other benign sites already caught in the net).
- There’s disagreement on whether workable, privacy‑preserving age checks exist (header flags, device‑level parental controls, zero‑knowledge schemes) or whether any such scheme inevitably centralizes control.
Jurisdiction, Geopolitics, and Comparisons
- Many argue UK powers largely stop at its borders unless US cooperation is granted; non‑UK users mainly see collateral risk when the UK sets a global precedent.
- Parallels are repeatedly drawn to China’s Great Firewall and Russia’s escalating censorship; some say the UK, US states, and EU have already forfeited moral high ground.
- Others stress differences: democracies still tolerate opposition parties and don’t “disappear” dissidents, but norms‑based systems like the UK are seen as fragile to bad laws.
Effectiveness, Circumvention, and Technical Angles
- Skeptics expect blocks to be trivial to bypass (VPNs, alternative DNS, Tor, new protocols) and compare this to failed attempts to globally remove content or break encryption.
- More pessimistic voices point to Russia/China as proof states can progressively tighten DPI, VPN blocking, and infrastructure controls until circumvention becomes niche and technically demanding.
Democracy, Political Culture, NGOs, and Public Support
- Some UK commenters report MPs framing any opposition as “pedo/terrorist,” reinforcing a sense that representation is broken and policy driven by civil‑service agendas and NGOs rather than voters.
- Others note polls showing strong public support when framed as “online safety for children” and argue opponents must confront that emotional resonance rather than dismiss it.
- NGOs are viewed ambivalently: by some as genuine child‑safety advocates; by others as quasi‑state or corporate instruments lobbying for more control.
4chan’s Role and Legal/Moral Status
- Several insist 4chan hosts only legal content under US law and is mainly “mean” speech; others point to drawn sexual content, voyeur/revenge porn, and manipulation campaigns as evidence it facilitates illegal or harmful activity in many jurisdictions.
- There’s debate over whether de‑platforming chan‑style spaces reduces harm or merely drives extremism and disinformation onto more opaque platforms.
Future of the “Free Internet” and User Responses
- Many foresee fragmentation into regional, heavily filtered networks, with ID‑tied domains and allow‑list–style access; others argue the internet’s design ensures new free protocols will always emerge.
- Suggested user responses include: local archiving of valuable content, wider use of RSS and email‑based/federated tools, investment in censorship‑resistant tech (privacy coins, alternative DNS, Delta Chat), and political organizing rather than purely technical workarounds.
- There’s notable fatalism: some see the “free internet” as already mostly gone, with most users confined to a few corporate platforms and subject to opaque algorithms and influence campaigns.
Meta: Hacker News Attitudes and Generational Shift
- A subset laments that HN is no longer nearly unanimous in opposing such laws; they perceive a shift toward accepting paternalistic or authoritarian measures, and a broader erosion of earlier hacker/cypherpunk norms about privacy and free speech.