Nvidia DGX Spark

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Performance Claims & FP4 Marketing

  • Debate over Nvidia’s “1 PFLOP” headline: several note this is FP4 with structured sparsity, not FP16/FP8, and call that framing misleading; others argue the page does state “FP4 with sparsity” in multiple places so it’s not being hidden, just over‑hyped.
  • Concern that users will see far lower real‑world FLOPs (tens of TFLOPs) on typical BLAS/FP16 workloads, echoing earlier H200 marketing vs practical numbers.

Memory, Bandwidth & Model Size

  • 128 GB unified LPDDR5x is seen as the main selling point: can fit roughly 4× larger models than a 32 GB 5090, enabling 200B‑parameter models in low‑precision (FP4/quantized).
  • However, the ~270 GB/s bandwidth is widely criticized as “gimped” and a fundamental bottleneck for LLM token generation and training; comparisons note that M4 Max, M3 Ultra, and 5090 all have 2–7× more bandwidth.
  • Some argue this is fine for non‑LLM AI or fine‑tuning, others say it makes the “AI supercomputer on your desk” positioning questionable.

Comparisons to Other Hardware

  • Versus RTX 5090: consensus that 5090 is far faster for small/medium models, while Spark wins only on maximum model size. Several say “small models fast: 5090; large models slow: Spark.”
  • Versus Jetson Thor: Thor appears to have more FP4 compute at lower cost but is inference‑oriented; Spark is pitched as training/fine‑tuning‑oriented with better cache and NVLink/ConnectX options.
  • Versus AMD Strix Halo and Apple M‑series: Spark’s bandwidth is similar to Strix Halo (considered overrated by some) and much lower than high‑end Macs. Opinions split on whether future Mac Studios will make Spark irrelevant for single‑box inference.

Networking & Form Factor

  • Initial confusion over only “10 GbE” is corrected: Spark includes a ConnectX‑7 NIC with 2×200 Gbps plus USB4/Thunderbolt‑class ports. Some see this as a key advantage for clustering vs Macs.
  • Bundled “two unit” configurations leverage the 200 Gbps link to run ~400B models.

Software, OS & Longevity

  • Jetson history (old Ubuntu bases, slow upgrades) makes some wary; others note DGX OS 7 is based on Ubuntu 24.04 and expect better support.
  • Concern that kernels and CUDA stacks may be relatively locked‑down, limiting hobbyist flexibility.

Value, Segmentation & Availability

  • Price points around $3–4K (ASUS/MSI variants, DGX Spark bundles) lead many to judge it poor $/TFLOP and $/bandwidth compared with 5090 or RTX Pro 6000.
  • Several see it as heavily segmented (LPDDR5x, no HBM, limited bandwidth, no NVLink on nearby products) to protect Nvidia’s datacenter GPUs.
  • Reports of delays, HDMI issues, and very few units in the wild fuel “paper launch” skepticism.