When the sun will literally set on what's left of the British Empire

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An article on when the sun will literally stop shining on any British territory prompts broader debate about the UK’s post‑imperial status and remaining overseas possessions, from the Chagos Islands to Hong Kong. Commenters argue over whether Britain is now just a mid‑sized European power or still wields significant hard and soft power, and sharply contest the moral balance sheet of the British Empire, citing both institutional “legacies” (law, language, governance) and atrocities, famines, and forced displacements. Side threads explore how the monarchy’s role works in Canada and Australia, how France’s far‑flung territories compare, and what decolonization might mean for assets like the .io country‑code domain.

Access / Meta

  • Several readers reported being blocked or timing out on the original site; an archive link was shared.

UK Power, Hong Kong, and Chagos

  • Strong disagreement over whether the UK “failed to protect” Hong Kong:
    • One side argues Britain abandoned treaty obligations and could have done more (e.g., pushing harder on autonomy, not returning all of Hong Kong, or exploring ROC/Taiwan options).
    • Others argue the UK had almost no leverage against the PRC, and any serious confrontation would have been suicidal militarily and economically; offering migration paths (BNO visas) was the realistic limit.
    • The early end of “50 years of autonomy” via the National Security Law is cited as treaty violation that the UK cannot meaningfully enforce.
  • On the Chagos Islands:
    • Some see the UK’s deal to give them up as symbol of decline and unnecessary loss of strategic territory (“unsinkable aircraft carrier”), plus betrayal of islanders.
    • Others welcome shedding a legally and politically costly remnant with little benefit to the UK itself.

Is the British Empire Really Gone? Commonwealth, Monarchy, and Soft Power

  • Debate over whether countries like Canada and Australia are still “the empire”:
    • One camp: sharing a monarch and cultural institutions makes them de facto continuation.
    • Counterpoint (well supported in-thread): these are fully independent realms with their own “King of X”, their own constitutions, and only ceremonial/then-ignored residual royal powers; key episodes (King–Byng, 1975 Australian crisis, Australia Act 1986) cited as breaking UK control.
  • Some argue the UK remains a mid-sized but still significant power (nukes, G7 economy, cultural/financial influence); others insist it is “non-world power” clinging to nostalgia.

.io TLD and Post-Colonial Internet Fallout

  • Question raised about what happens to .io if the British Indian Ocean Territory ceases to exist.
  • Explanation:
    • ccTLDs are tied to ISO 3166-1 alpha-2 codes; if the territory/code is retired, .io should eventually be phased out (multi‑year sunset).
    • Precedents exist (e.g., .yu); but .su (Soviet Union) persists due to political resistance.
    • Some expect .io to vanish as a ccTLD; others predict it will be grandfathered or converted to a generic TLD given its heavy use and revenue potential.

French (and Other) “Never-Setting” Empires

  • Several notes that France still spans time zones (French Guiana, Indian Ocean, Pacific territories), so the “sun never sets” trope still loosely applies.
  • Side discussion on:
    • France’s longest land border (Brazil, via French Guiana).
    • Measurement quirks of borders (coastline paradox, river thalwegs, differing survey methods).

Legacy of the British Empire: Benefit vs Atrocity

  • Extremely polarized views:
    • One stance: former colonies “universally benefited” (law, administration, infrastructure, trade, etc.); decline of the empire seen as civilizational loss, with US hegemony as its informal successor.
    • Strong rebuttals: point to genocides, famines (Ireland, India), the opium trade, partition violence, and long-term social damage (including colonial manipulation of caste and sectarian divisions). For many, dissolution is framed as a moral victory.
    • Nuanced middle positions: some domains (e.g., settler colonies like Canada/Australia) clearly ended up wealthier; others were exploited and left unstable. The Commonwealth’s persistence is cited both as soft-power legacy and as possible “Stockholm syndrome.”

Contemporary Perceptions of the UK

  • One commenter expresses deep pessimism: sees the UK as culturally and economically spent, over‑policed online, and on a long decline since WWII.
  • Multiple responses counter that:
    • The UK still sits mid‑pack or better among rich countries on growth and income, with issues similar to other Western states (ageing, debt, fertility).
    • Social‑media narratives exaggerate its dysfunction; problems are real but not uniquely catastrophic.

Residual “Empire” Through Finance

  • Final note that even if territorial empire ends, some see a de facto British “empire” persisting via global banking, tax havens, and financial networks centered in the UK and its dependencies.