The (economic) AI apocalypse is nigh
Market bets and timing
- Some suggest “short the AI companies,” but others warn retail investors can’t outcompete big firms and that shorts/puts are timing-sensitive and risky.
- Others propose simply underweighting or exiting broad indexes heavy in “Magnificent 7” stocks, but note sitting in cash while inflation runs is costly.
- Counterview: persistent “sky is falling” pieces themselves are seen by some as a contrarian buy or at least “not-yet-time-to-crash” signal.
Profitability, unit economics, and the Magnificent 7
- Dispute over whether leading AI-exposed giants are unprofitable “AI companies” or diversified firms with very profitable core businesses that can survive an AI flop.
- Some argue LLMs have “dogshit unit economics” because each generation is more expensive and marginal usage may be loss-making.
- Others insist unit economics of selling compute/models are fundamentally strong; unprofitability is a growth and overbuild choice, not structural.
GPUs, capex, and debt
- Concern over massive data center buildouts: if funded by heavy leverage (examples cited: Oracle, CoreWeave, OpenAI commitments), a demand slowdown could be painful.
- Debate whether GPUs can be repurposed (big-memory accelerators for simulation/data workloads) or are too specialized, leaving e‑waste and stranded assets.
- Some think governments might bail out strategic players; others doubt public appetite for that.
Comparison to dot‑com and other bubbles
- Many see strong echoes of 1999/2000 and 2008: hype–capital–hype feedback loops, then sudden reversal when buyers or funding dry up.
- Stories from the dot‑com bust (overbuilt office space, shattered pensions, worthless equity) are used as analogies for today’s data center boom.
- Uber is invoked both as a “doomer was wrong” counterexample and as proof that VC-subsidized pricing can eventually normalize with mixed social outcomes.
Labor, layoffs, and management fads
- One camp: if AI can’t really replace workers, companies won’t mass-fire staff based on vaporware.
- Another: layoffs are often driven by fads, financial optics, or preexisting overhiring; “AI” is just the current justification.
- Some predict “AI + layoffs + mortgages” as a dangerous combination; others note many layoffs would have happened anyway.
Practical usefulness vs valuations
- Multiple developers and users say LLMs are genuinely useful as coding assistants, idea sparring partners, and for “little tools,” but not transformative enough to justify trillions in capex.
- Critique: current usage (scripts, brainstorming, mild productivity boosts) cannot pay for tens of billions in extra data centers.
- Others argue productivity impact may still be emerging; comparing today’s AI strictly to its current use cases may be premature.
Crash mechanics and systemic impact
- Questions raised: what exactly pops—banks, VC funds, hyperscalers, or just startup equity prices?
- Proposed scenario: over-optimistic long-term contracts (e.g., huge “remaining performance obligations”) fail, expectations reset, stock prices of infra and AI players fall sharply, hitting pensions and indices.
- Local governments that incentivized data centers could be left with tax holes and hulking unused facilities; tech workers could face another skills glut.
Evidence and citation disputes
- Some commenters think the article’s evidence (e.g., a mislinked MIT “95%” statistic) is weak or misrepresented; others point to corrected links and financial disclosures as sufficient support.
- There’s disagreement over whether current claims about failed deployments and “no measurable productivity gains” are adequately documented.
Political and social responses
- One line of argument: students and workers should actively organize against AI-induced “dehumanization” and job loss, especially within universities, and later resist any bailouts.
- Others emphasize that bubbles mostly hurt investors and overextended firms; everyday impact depends on how broadly the losses spread.
Long-run trajectory
- Several believe AI is overhyped now but still a general-purpose technology that will eventually find sustainable, profitable uses—analogous to the internet post-dot‑com.
- Views on AGI range from “20-year inevitability” to skepticism that current LLMs can ever do more than act as sophisticated, limited assistants.