Gold Prices Top $4k for First Time

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Gold vs Stocks/Bitcoin and Investment Horizons

  • Several commenters argue that long-term index funds (VTI/SPX) have historically beaten gold, and today’s gold spike may be a blip.
  • Others see gold’s rise, alongside Bitcoin’s ATH, as a signal of broader asset inflation or bubbles (especially AI-related equities).
  • Advice tends toward “stay the course” in equities if your horizon is long; timing rotations based on fear is seen as risky.

Rebalancing, Taxes, and Small Investors

  • Retail investors ask how to shift from stocks to gold without capital gains tax; consensus: you generally can’t, aside from using tax-advantaged accounts or tax-loss harvesting.
  • Guidance: rebalance infrequently, adjust new contributions rather than selling winners, and avoid overtrading retirement money.

Macro Interpretations: Dollar, Debt, and Equities

  • One popular thesis:
    • Gold ATH, equity ATH, high US debt yields, and a weakening USD can’t coexist indefinitely; something must give.
    • Some expect equities or treasuries to reprice sharply; others question why a “crash” must follow rather than a plateau.
  • Critics point out factual issues (e.g., US debt not at all‑time low prices, dollar strength is time‑window dependent) and note that inflation‑adjusted equity valuations are also near records.

What to Hold: Cash, Bonds, Commodities?

  • Suggestions range from cash “dry powder” to buy after a crash, to diversified stock/bond funds, to “hard assets” (gold/commodities) if you distrust both equities and USD.
  • There’s sharp disagreement: some view cash as costly (opportunity loss, inflation), others see it as optionality.

Paper vs Physical Gold

  • A rare‑coin dealer describes a disconnect: futures-driven spot prices at $4k vs tepid retail appetite for buying physical at these levels, with shops flooded by sellers.
  • Others counter with examples of strong physical demand (e.g., Bangkok gold shops selling out, Costco bars, major dealers thriving), and point out significant central-bank and Asian buying.
  • Debate continues whether the move is mostly financial-speculation-driven or reflects genuine physical accumulation.

Inflation, Money, and Petrodollar

  • Some attribute the move largely to inflation/fiat debasement; others show long periods where money supply grew but gold prices were flat, arguing correlation is weak.
  • Multiple comments tie gold’s spike and dollar weakness to broader shifts: end of the petrodollar arrangement, BRICS/SWIFT alternatives, multipolar geopolitics, and pandemic-era money creation.
  • There’s disagreement on how much of today’s price is “just inflation” vs fear of USD creditworthiness and geopolitical risk.

Relative Value, Silver, and Other Comparisons

  • Silver nearing prior peaks is noted; past spikes (e.g., 1979) are recalled as cornering attempts, implying today may or may not be analogous.
  • Comparisons of gold to housing and other real assets produce mixed anecdotes; some claim gold tracks long-run real value, others find local examples that contradict this.

US Gold Reserves and Dollar Risk

  • One thread argues high US gold reserves mean a high gold price is less bearish for USD than for other currencies.
  • Pushback: USD is not gold-backed; total US gold is small relative to GDP and treasury issuance, so the key risk is capital rotating from treasuries into gold, raising US borrowing costs.

Crash Fatigue and Inequality

  • Several commenters talk about “crash fatigue”: repeated doomsday predictions over the past decade didn’t materialize, while nearly all assets kept rising.
  • Others link asset-price inflation to policies favoring capital over labor: assets soar while real wages lag; workers’ inability to organize or reform is blamed for the persistence.
  • Some foresee demographic/wealth concentration issues (boomers’ asset drawdowns, dependence on wealthy consumption) as a future destabilizer.

Gold, Politics, and Expropriation Risk

  • Historical examples are given of states confiscating or coercively mobilizing private gold in crises, suggesting that “gold as apocalypse hedge” has limits.
  • A few commenters connect today’s moves to domestic US politics: talk of Project 2025, possible changes to the monetary regime (even a gold standard), or deliberate economic sabotage to justify authoritarian shifts. These views are speculative within the thread, with no consensus.