SoftBank sells its entire stake in Nvidia
Market timing, bubbles, and “taking profits”
- Many see this as a sensible top-ish exit: Nvidia’s upside is perceived as limited vs its potential downside over the next few years.
- Others frame it as a classic “sell high” value rotation rather than a sign of panic or collapse.
- A vocal group interprets concurrent Nvidia stake sales (by SoftBank, some funds, and Nvidia insiders) as early signs of an AI bubble cracking; others say a single seller (especially SoftBank) is a weak macro signal.
- Some argue you “never lose by taking profit”; others warn that selling everything is also risky if Nvidia keeps compounding.
SoftBank’s motives and credibility
- SoftBank says it’s “all in” on OpenAI; several commenters stress actions (full Nvidia exit) matter more than PR spin.
- Some see this as capital-raising to meet very large OpenAI and other commitments, not a judgment that Nvidia is doomed.
- SoftBank’s history is debated: one side points to WeWork/FTX and an earlier, badly timed 2019 Nvidia exit as evidence they’re poor at timing; another notes ARM and Alibaba as massive wins.
- There’s skepticism that SoftBank “knows more” about Nvidia’s future; if anything, some treat their moves as a contrarian indicator.
Scale of the sale vs Nvidia’s size
- $5.83B is described simultaneously as “massive” in market terms and a rounding error vs ~trillions in Nvidia market cap and tens of billions in daily trading volume.
- Several note this stake was only about 0.1% of Nvidia and likely sold gradually / off-exchange to avoid moving the market.
OpenAI vs Nvidia: risk/return tradeoff
- Many think selling Nvidia to concentrate in OpenAI increases risk: Nvidia is seen as the core “shovel maker,” whereas OpenAI is an application-layer bet with unclear long-term moat and monetization.
- Others argue that once Nvidia’s hardware story is priced in, the bigger upside lies in the software/services layer, especially if OpenAI can successfully pivot to consumer products or ads and possibly IPO.
- There is sharp disagreement over OpenAI’s economic viability: some envision trillions in value capture; others find the implied valuations and huge future “spending commitments” (sometimes described, perhaps imprecisely, as debt) hard to justify.
Nvidia’s moat and potential competition
- Debate centers on whether Nvidia’s advantage (CUDA ecosystem, hardware + software integration, culture of rapid performance gains) is durable:
- One camp: Nvidia’s moat is very strong; dethroning them is harder than overtaking a single model provider like OpenAI.
- Another: the moat is contingent on continuing performance growth; if Nvidia “skips a beat,” others (TPUs, Trainium, AMD, custom ASICs, China’s in-house efforts) can catch up.
- There’s a technical sub-thread contrasting GPUs with TPUs and systolic-array ASICs:
- Some claim “ASIC for matmul = GPU”; others rebut that TPUs/systolic arrays have very different memory and execution architectures, often better suited to inference.
- Mention of efforts like ZLUDA and AMD ROCm suggests belief that software lock-in can be eroded over time.
- A few highlight real-world non-Nvidia deployments (e.g., large Trainium deployments) as evidence the ecosystem is already diversifying.
AI economics and sustainability of the boom
- Several commenters doubt current AI valuations, arguing that:
- LLMs/“autocomplete” have unclear monetization and may not be the civilization-level money machines they’re hyped to be.
- The real bubble may be in datacenter buildout and energy use; a more efficient alternative chip could dramatically undercut current economics.
- Others think AI will indeed fuel substantial growth, especially once better integration into existing software unlocks productivity; they see more risk in model providers’ business models than in Nvidia itself.
- There’s discussion of OpenAI’s reported pivot toward ads:
- Proponents say an ad model could justify large valuations, drawing parallels to Google/Meta.
- Critics note the long lead time, heavy sales/infra investment, and industry inertia; they doubt ads or subscriptions can scale quickly enough to match today’s pricing.
Meta: why this is on Hacker News
- Some question why a pure finance move belongs on HN; others respond that:
- Nvidia and OpenAI are central infrastructure for modern computing, not just “stocks.”
- Many are intellectually interested in whether/when the AI bubble might pop, and large reallocations by prominent investors are one of few observable signals.
- A side thread laments perceived “Reddit-ification” of HN and more market/AI sentiment posts, while others defend the relevance of these shifts to anyone working in tech.