Court filings allege Meta downplayed risks to children and misled the public
General reaction to Meta and the filings
- Many see the allegations as entirely unsurprising, likening Meta to the cigarette industry: performative “safety” tweaks while ignoring core harms.
- Strong moral condemnation of Meta as “this generation’s cigarettes” and even “largest child abuse organization,” especially around teen mental health and tolerance of exploitation.
- Several expect little real consequence: prior tech and tobacco scandals are cited as precedent for fines-as-‘cost of business’ and no structural change.
Systemic critique: capitalism, oligarchy, and government capture
- Long subthreads debate whether this outcome is inherent to:
- Capitalism and the fusion of capital with state power, or
- Any system with a centralized monopoly on political power.
- Some predict or describe the US as an oligarchic republic; others argue this is just how power accumulates in any large system.
- Dropping out of society is raised as a “solution,” but commenters note it’s increasingly difficult given cashless payments, required apps, and pervasive data collection.
What should be done? Proposals and pushback
Stronger penalties and corporate/person liability
- Ideas range from “corporate death penalty,” charter revocation, and RICO to jailing executives and even major shareholders; others argue these are politically unserious or would mostly hit small/inadvertent investors.
- Some call for vastly larger fines plus probation-like conditions; others note criminal prosecution of companies rarely changes incentives.
Platform liability & Section 230
- Popular proposal: keep immunity for neutral/chronological or user-chosen feeds, remove it for black-box, engagement-optimizing algorithmic feeds (seen as editorial).
- Critics ask how to define “algorithmic,” noting that even HN’s front page, view-sorted lists, and minimal ranking logic would be affected.
- Extended debate over what counts as explicit user choice vs. passive signals (watch time, scrolling) and whether personalized feeds should be reproducible or fully disclosed.
Advertising and business model
- One camp blames surveillance/digital ads as the root incentive problem and advocates banning digital advertising outright; opponents call this constitutionally fraught, economically disruptive, and politically unrealistic.
- Some argue harms would persist even with subscription models, since engagement incentives remain.
Other regulatory ideas
- Age-verification laws for kids on social media are cited as emerging “real change,” though practical and privacy downsides are implied.
- Suggestions include breaking up Meta as a monopoly, taxing “attention rent,” and treating recommender-driven feeds like gambling.
Role of users, workers, and tech industry
- “Vote with your feet” (quit Meta, move family groups elsewhere) is advocated, but network effects and societal spillovers are seen as limiting its impact.
- Several stress developer complicity: these systems exist because engineers build and maintain them; some describe leaving ethically dubious employers as one of the few realistic levers.
- Others argue capital now vastly outweighs labor power, so individual choices—consumer or worker—feel largely symbolic without structural reform.
Social and psychological harms
- Commenters frequently compare future views of social media to current views of tobacco/alcohol, especially regarding teen girls’ mental health, body image, and self-harm.
- The reported “17x strike policy” on accounts involved in sex trafficking triggers particular outrage, seen as evidence that Meta tolerates severe abuse until it becomes reputationally or legally unavoidable.