An off-grid, flat-packable washing machine
Modern machines vs hand-crank design
- Several commenters say current “smart” washers are overcomplicated, restrictive, and condescending (locked doors, forced cycles, auto-draining that prevents soaking, lid locks, no true manual mode).
- Some express genuine interest in replacing finicky electronic washers with something simple, reliable, and user-controllable, even in developed countries.
- Others argue serving a family with a hand-crank machine would be a “nightmare” and that people are romanticizing hard manual labor.
Laundry practice debates
- Long subthread on whether separating loads (by fabric, soil level, colors) still matters.
- Some say they’ve stopped separating and see no real difference, citing improved dyes.
- Others note fabric wear, cleaning quality, and unbalanced loads as reasons to separate.
- Confusion around “eco” and “auto” programs:
- Some claim “eco” isn’t actually the most efficient in practice; others cite EU rules saying the default program must be most efficient by test definition.
- Manuals with detailed water/energy tables are more common in Europe than North America.
Design tradeoffs: cranking, rinsing, spin
- Concerns that this washer lacks proper centrifuging, so clothes will be wetter and drying slower.
- Rinsing is unclear from the article; some assume users will manually refill with clean water and/or hand-rinse.
- Multiple people suggest pedals (bike-style) would be ergonomically superior to arm cranking.
Appropriateness for off-grid and Global South
- Some highlight patchy or unreliable electricity: a device that works by hand but can be motorized when power is available is seen as valuable.
- Others point out very cheap, extremely simple electric washers already exist in many poorer countries and may be cheaper and higher capacity.
- Water access is flagged as a bigger constraint than agitation: often it’s easier to carry clothes to water than water to the home, making a bulky machine less practical.
- Cost and local manufacturability are questioned; metalwork can be surprisingly expensive in some regions. Open-sourcing the design is seen as potentially transformative.
“Just use a tub” vs contraption
- A detailed thread argues that time, chemistry, and soaking (e.g., tubs, plungers, ash/alkali detergents) matter more than mechanical cleverness; the device may be overcomplicating a solvable problem.
- Others counter with examples (e.g., cookstoves) where low-tech “improvements” must consider health tradeoffs and real-world living conditions; there’s tension over armchair theorizing vs lived poverty.
Repairability and anti-consumer design
- Commenters praise the metal, repairable construction compared to sealed-drum, glue-welded commercial machines that are deliberately hard to fix.
- Examples are given of lid safety switches and sealed tubs turning cheap component failures into near–full replacement costs.
Market, impact, and “fairer future” framing
- Some note the project’s slow scale-up (hundreds of units over years) and question its real impact relative to the rhetoric (“fairer future”).
- Others think it’s well-intentioned but misdirected: Westerners designing for “far away” problems instead of enabling local solutions or focusing on their own societies.
- A few see niche uses in rich countries (off-grid cabins, campers, preppers) rather than among the very poorest.