I can't upgrade to Windows 11, now leave me alone

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Dark patterns, consent, and who’s responsible

  • Commenters frame the upgrade nags as a consent problem: systems repeatedly ask until users “give in”, with “No” often not a real option.
  • Debate over blame: some argue sales/product push dark patterns; others say devs implement them knowingly and share responsibility because they value paychecks over ethics.
  • Several see this behavior as continuous with long‑standing corporate patterns, not something new to “AI times” or to Microsoft alone.

Windows 11 requirements, nags, and user control

  • Many stress that TPM 2.0 and CPU lists are largely artificial: Windows 11 can run fine on “unsupported” hardware via tools like Rufus or registry tweaks.
  • The core complaint is not inability to upgrade but relentless, non‑dismissable prompts to do so, even on machines that cannot meet the requirements.
  • Some view this as deliberate harassment to push users to buy new hardware or enter deeper into Microsoft’s cloud ecosystem (OneDrive, Microsoft account, subscriptions).

Security, auto‑updates, and vendor power

  • One side argues autoupdates and hardware security (TPM, secure enclaves) are essential to protect non‑technical users and reduce botnets.
  • Others counter that vendors abuse this trust—using the same pipelines for ads, upsells, and UX regressions—and that users should be able to fully disable it, as on many Linux systems.
  • There’s discussion of reproducible builds and full‑source bootstraps as partial checks on vendor power in the free‑software world.

Hardware longevity, performance, and e‑waste

  • Many report decade‑old machines still perfectly usable for browsing and office work; Windows 11 cutoffs are seen as manufacturing e‑waste.
  • Some note modern CPUs and SSDs are clearly faster, but perceived gains are often negated by OS bloat, corporate security stacks, and UI sluggishness.
  • A minority defend Microsoft’s stance: supporting very old consumer installs isn’t profitable and keeping users on insecure Win10 is risky.

Alternatives: Linux, BSD, macOS, niche OSes

  • Large contingent urges switching to Linux; several say Windows’ hostility finally pushed them over, and daily use is now smoother and more pleasant.
  • Others highlight friction: driver gaps (Wi‑Fi, audio, Nvidia), office formats, tax software, corporate requirements, and the cognitive cost of leaving a familiar platform.
  • macOS is seen by some as a “less enshittified” alternative; others argue it’s heading the same way with iCloud nags and hardware lock‑in.

Gaming and Linux

  • Steam Deck/Proton are repeatedly cited as a turning point: most games in some users’ libraries now run “Platinum or Native” on Linux.
  • Anti‑cheat and a few competitive titles remain major blockers; some predict future TPM/DRM stacks could intentionally lock out Wine‑like solutions.

Workarounds inside Windows

  • Practical tips appear:
    • Use Rufus or registry keys to bypass TPM checks and forced online accounts.
    • Group policy/registry to pin Win10 feature level and suppress Win11 offers.
    • Switch to Windows 10/11 LTSC or IoT builds to avoid most bloat and ads.
    • Debloat scripts and tools (e.g., O&O ShutUp, Win11Debloat) to strip telemetry and promotions.
  • Supporters say this yields an acceptable Windows 11; critics argue that needing hacks and scripts at all is proof the platform is fundamentally user‑hostile.

Nostalgia and broader frustration

  • Several reminisce about System 7 / Windows 95 era PCs as simple tools: no upsells, no spyware, no nagging—just programs and files.
  • Others remind that those eras also had rampant malware and no convenient patching; today’s security and stability are better, but at a cost in autonomy.
  • Underneath is a common sentiment: modern commercial OSes treat users less as owners and more as monetizable tenants, driving some to view Linux and BSD as the last refuge of actual control.