US freezes visas for 75 nations
Scope of the policy and its stated rationale
- Thread clarifies this is a pause on immigrant visas from 75 countries, not visitor visas; some posts say it’s officially framed as temporary while “public charge” procedures are reassessed.
- Others doubt the “temporary” framing, calling it a typical pretext for a long‑term restriction.
- Several note the list includes Russia, Iran, many Russian‑aligned or unstable states, plus some outliers (e.g., Thailand, Georgia, Brazil), with reasons for specific inclusions described as unclear.
Citizenship-based discrimination and open-borders debate
- One camp sees this as worsening discrimination by origin and a worrying precedent for global copycats.
- Another argues every state already discriminates by citizenship; free entry is not a human right.
- That view is strongly contested: critics link “alien” vs. “native” framing to historical dehumanization and genocide, and reject blanket country bans as unjust.
Economic, cultural, and “public charge” arguments
- Some argue uncontrolled migration harms societies and cultures, and that large inflows reproduce origin-country institutions and norms.
- Others counter with US history of large-scale immigration, question the evidence, and claim capital prefers cheap, mobile labor while restricting worker protections.
- Multiple commenters point out the US already requires affidavits of financial support; if “public charge” is a problem, it’s an enforcement or bad-faith-pretext issue.
- Comparisons are made to Canadian-style points systems, which also exclude people (e.g., disabled) but are seen by some as more transparent.
Personal impacts, tech, and brain drain
- Tech workers report colleagues with green cards or pending EB visas now planning to leave for Europe (e.g., Belgium), citing fear of future rule changes.
- Immigrants and their families express anxiety about green cards, citizenship prospects, and even denaturalization talk, especially for non‑white nationals.
- Several predict other countries will benefit from US-driven brain drain.
World Cup, sports, and global events
- Commenters question how a US‑hosted World Cup and other competitions will function amid visa unpredictability, citing recent denied visas for athletes.
- Some note the pause doesn’t affect visitor visas, but others point to existing cases where elite athletes were refused entry anyway.
Meta: HN moderation and polarization
- Significant side discussion centers on this and related submissions being quickly flagged despite high interest.
- Some attribute it to bots or partisan brigading; others to long‑standing cultural bias on the site against politically uncomfortable topics.
- Users share workarounds (e.g., using the “active” page) to see heavily flagged but active discussions.