Adoption of EVs tied to real-world reductions in air pollution: study
Direct experience of ICE vs EV pollution
- Many describe how a single poorly tuned diesel or gasoline vehicle can foul air for minutes, contrasting that with the relative absence of smell around EVs.
- Cyclists and pedestrians especially notice exhaust at lights and in winter; some now reflexively “wish to ban ICE in cities” after experiencing EV-dense areas and low‑emission zones.
- Beijing and some Chinese cities are cited as examples where EV adoption plus heating and industrial changes have made formerly severe smog “rare.”
EV trucks, delivery fleets, and regional adoption
- Commenters note rapid adoption of EV trucks and delivery vans in China, Japan, parts of Europe and Australia, and criticize Tesla for missing obvious segments like delivery vans.
- In California, about 5% of the light‑duty fleet is now ZEV; in Norway it’s far higher. Some expect ICE infrastructure to substantially shrink in 20–30 years.
Smart vs “dumb” EVs and connectivity
- Strong demand from some for “dumb” EVs: no telematics, subscriptions, or always‑online features. Suggestions include pulling fuses, killing modems, or buying models/markets with no SIM installed.
- Others argue connectivity and centralized electronics are driven by cost (fewer physical controls) and safety (automatic crash calls, NCAP requirements, driver-assist).
- There’s debate over touchscreens vs physical buttons, reliability of infotainment, and discomfort with manufacturers being able to “brick” cars remotely.
Non‑exhaust pollution: tires, brakes, and road wear
- Multiple threads note that EVs eliminate tailpipe NOx but are heavier, increasing tire and road wear; regenerative braking sharply reduces brake dust.
- Some worry about microplastics and toxic tire compounds; others cite newer studies that suggest earlier tire‑pollution claims were overstated.
- Fourth‑power road‑damage scaling is invoked: heavy trucks dominate damage; EV weight differences vs ICE sedans are minor by comparison.
Energy source, centralization, and the “long tailpipe”
- Many emphasize that even on dirty grids EVs are far more energy‑efficient than ICE and let pollution be centralized at stationary plants, where scrubbing is feasible and emissions are away from dense neighborhoods.
- Others stress EVs’ flexibility: as grids add renewables or nuclear, the same vehicles get cleaner over time without being replaced.
Climate impact and oil demand debate
- One camp: electrification + cleaner grids clearly reduces lifecycle emissions; “long tailpipe” arguments are called a fallacy.
- Skeptical camp: reduced gasoline demand could just lower oil prices and shift use to aviation or developing countries; unless oil stays underground, global CO₂ may not drop as much as hoped.
Transport policy vs technology
- Several argue EVs alone don’t solve systemic issues: car‑centric planning, sprawl, and health impacts from living near major roads.
- Strong support appears for more walking, biking, and mass transit; some say true “freedom” is not needing a $20k vehicle for basic errands. Others insist private cars still provide unmatched flexibility, especially outside dense cities.
Affordability, equity, and technical longevity
- Concerns: EVs as “luxury items,” high depreciation, battery replacement cost, urban residents without home charging.
- Counterpoints: cheap Chinese EVs, falling battery prices, long battery warranties, and evidence of modest degradation suggest longevity fears may be overstated; plug‑in hybrids and used EVs are framed as important transitional options.