Arizona Bill Requires Age Verification for All Apps

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Gun laws vs app ID comparison

  • Several commenters highlight the contrast that in Arizona adults can privately buy guns without ID or background checks, while this bill would require ID for installing apps, including trivial ones like weather apps or Notepad.
  • Others argue this comparison ignores age restrictions and federal checks in regulated gun sales and accuse the analogy of being in bad faith.
  • The underlying point: the bill appears to impose stricter controls on software than on some firearms transactions, which many find absurd or alarming.

Privacy, surveillance, and end of anonymity

  • Strong concern that “age verification” is a pretext to end online anonymity and build a permanent identity infrastructure that can later be expanded for broader surveillance and control.
  • People worry about data leaks, resale of IDs, and tracking via “supercookies” (e.g., inferred birthdates from category transitions).
  • Some argue this is about “mass surveillance,” not children’s safety, and see Arizona as a testbed for wider rollout.

Alternative technical and policy proposals

  • Popular alternative: put control at the device/browser level.
    • Device owners (especially parents) set allow/block lists and content categories.
    • Browsers/OS emit content-preference headers.
    • Sites label content and are legally required to respect those headers.
  • Others suggest age (or “adult content”) tokens using zero‑knowledge proofs: sites only see a boolean (over/under 18).
  • Pushback: robust ZK systems likely require remote attestation and locked-down hardware, threatening general‑purpose computing and enabling client-side scanning mandates.

Anonymity, speech, and social media

  • Long subthread debates whether anonymity on social media causes more harm than good.
    • One side: real-name/ID would reduce bots, propaganda, and extremism; people should face consequences for what they say.
    • Other side: removing anonymity chills lawful speech, endangers dissidents, whistleblowers, and vulnerable groups, and empowers governments and employers to retaliate.

Political context and censorship

  • Many see this as part of a broader wave of US state “age verification” and social media laws (several states listed).
  • Some frame it primarily as right‑wing censorship; others respond that censorship efforts are now bipartisan, even if this specific bill has one partisan origin.
  • Skepticism that the bill will pass is common, but several note that such proposals keep coming and may cumulatively normalize ID-for-internet schemes.

Big tech, incentives, and regulatory capture

  • Multiple comments argue large platforms are unlikely to resist:
    • Age verification enriches ad targeting and strengthens their dominance.
    • Compliance costs hurt small sites and alternative app stores, leading to regulatory capture.
  • Calls for tech giants to geoblock Arizona are seen as unrealistic given profit motives and existing physical presence in the state.