Everett shuts down Flock camera network after judge rules footage public record
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- Everett’s Flock license-plate reader (ALPR) network has been taken “offline” after a county judge ruled its footage is a public record.
- Other Washington jurisdictions are also turning off similar systems amid the ruling and pending legislation.
Public records ruling & Everett response
- The city argued that footage wasn’t a public record until accessed by police; commenters found this logic weak, likening it to NSA-style word games about “collection.”
- Everett leaders say opening the data risks domestic abusers, stalkers, or immigration enforcement accessing it.
- Some see the shutdown decision itself as revealing the scale and sensitivity of the data being captured.
Privacy, abuse, and surveillance risks
- Many fear the dragnet nature of ALPR and its combination with AI: continuous tracking, behavior profiling, and “LoveInt”-style misuse.
- Examples are cited where officers allegedly used Flock to stalk partners; commenters stress abuse is likely from insiders, not just random public requesters.
- Concerns extend to broader camera networks and facial recognition at intersections, not just Flock.
Transparency vs. shutdown
- One camp argues: if data is collected with public money for public purposes, it should be broadly accessible (or even fully public), otherwise it becomes a tool of asymmetrical state power.
- Another camp argues: making data public worsens stalking and harm; the real solution is to not collect it at all.
- Several note the cameras are only “temporarily” offline and see legislative moves to exempt the data from disclosure as the real goal.
Legislative & legal angles
- Washington already exempts some traffic-camera data; a bill would similarly shield Flock data from public records law.
- Commenters urge contacting state legislators to oppose this exemption.
- Some want strict legal limits: local storage only, short retention, narrow access, strong auditing, and criminal penalties for misuse; others say any such database is inherently unsafe and will be exploited, including via federal “national security” workarounds.
Broader surveillance & enforcement concerns
- Thread widens into worries about ubiquitous AI monitoring (traffic, CCTV, retail) enabling near-perfect enforcement of many laws, which today are enforced selectively.
- There is debate over whether technology should force a rewrite of criminal and traffic laws, or whether perfect surveillance is incompatible with a free society.