US asked Ukraine for help fighting Iranian drones, Zelensky says

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Drone Warfare Dynamics and Economics

  • Participants distinguish between:
    • Cheap, short‑range quadcopters built in small workshops.
    • Larger, long‑range “Shahed-style” winged drones that need sizable industrial facilities.
  • Consensus that:
    • Both sides in Ukraine scaled drone production rapidly; it’s hard to suppress such dispersed, commodity-based supply chains.
    • Interceptor stockpiles (e.g., Patriot, THAAD-class systems) are finite and risk depletion; more “squeakers” get through over time.
  • Several note Russia and Iran can likely mass-produce long‑range drones and missiles; cutting off components is difficult.

Ukraine’s Role and Tech

  • Ukraine is portrayed as de facto global leader in drone defense:
    • Uses auditory networks, mobile response teams, interceptor drones, AA guns, and aircraft.
    • Developing specialized anti‑drone drones (“drone killers”), including multiple interceptor models.
  • Some say Ukraine should sell its systems to the US, Israel, and Gulf states; others worry any shared tech will quickly reach Russia.
  • There’s debate over whether Ukraine should help only in exchange for more Patriot missiles or broader security guarantees.

Air Defense Options and Cost Asymmetry

  • Thread contrasts:
    • Expensive interceptors (Patriot, THAAD) vs. cheap drones (“flying lawn mowers”).
    • Alternatives: interceptor drones, radar‑guided AA, Phalanx/CRAM, APKWS rockets from air or ground, MANPADS, Iron Dome, and laser systems (Iron Beam).
  • General agreement Patriots should be reserved for ballistic/higher‑end threats, not routine drone swarms, though in practice you sometimes “shoot with what you have.”

US–Ukraine Aid and Reciprocity Debate

  • Strong disagreement on:
    • How much aid the US is currently giving and whether new allocations are actually being disbursed.
    • Whether Ukraine “owes” help in return or should act purely on market terms (“we paid already” vs. “aid wasn’t a loan”).
  • Some see US behavior as hypocritical: slow‑rolling aid to Ukraine, then asking for Ukrainian help under pressure from Iranian drones.
  • Others view Ukrainian reluctance (or conditionality) as ungrateful, given prior Western support.

Iran Conflict, Energy, and Civilian Harm

  • Several comments link the request for Ukrainian help to:
    • Massive interceptor use by Gulf states (hundreds of Patriot missiles).
    • Attacks on refineries and LNG facilities, plus Strait of Hormuz disruptions, driving sharp short‑term spikes in EU gas, kerosene, and diesel prices.
  • Some argue the US/allies plan to “bomb Iran into the stone age”; others say strategic bombing historically fails at its objectives.
  • Discussion notes the Minab school airstrike with high child casualties:
    • Some initially doubt attribution, citing past misreporting; others point to major media now assigning responsibility to the US.
    • Consensus that, regardless of exact launch platform, US and Israel share responsibility because the strikes are viewed as illegal by these commenters.

Prospects of Ground War with Iran

  • A few posts speculate:
    • Ground invasion would be disastrous given Iran’s terrain and scale.
    • Staging options are limited; Iraq-based forces could be vulnerable from multiple directions.
    • Kurdish‑controlled corridors might allow light infantry staging but not a decisive breakout into Iran proper.