4Chan mocks £520k fine for UK online safety breaches
Jurisdiction and Extraterritorial Fines
- Many argue the UK has no practical jurisdiction over 4chan, a US‑based site protected by the First Amendment, unless it has UK entities or infrastructure.
- Others note states can and do legislate extraterritorially, even if enforcement is weak; the UK Parliament can legally “ban smoking in Paris”, but can only enforce inside the UK.
- Several commenters think the correct target is UK ISPs and customs‑like border controls for data, not foreign sites.
- Some point out the US and EU already project their laws abroad (copyright, sanctions, KYC/AML, GDPR, Megaupload, gambling, etc.), so the UK is not unique.
Blocking vs Fining / “Great Firewall”
- Strong sentiment that this fine is political theater to justify ISP‑level blocking and a de‑facto “Great Firewall of the UK.”
- Others say this is explicitly step one: issue unenforceable fines, then block non‑compliant sites and possibly later go after VPNs.
- There’s debate over whether VPN and DPI circumvention can be robustly blocked; Russia is cited as moving in that direction.
Free Speech vs Harm and Child Protection
- One camp sees the Online Safety Act as authoritarian creep, chilling political speech and importing “feelings-based” hate‑speech standards.
- Another camp, including some parents, says unfettered internet access is clearly harming kids; they support strong regulation “for the children” despite privacy costs.
- Critics respond that responsibility should remain with parents and domestic law enforcement, not global platforms; some suggest holding negligent parents liable instead.
4chan’s Role, Culture, and Response
- 4chan’s lawyer reportedly argues 4chan is legal in the US and outside UK jurisdiction, responding mockingly (e.g., hamster images).
- Some praise 4chan for resisting extraterritorial censorship; others call the site a “loser hive” but still oppose the precedent.
- Mixed views on 4chan’s impact: formative, creative, and eye‑opening vs. “where neurons go to die” and a source of real psychological harm.
Age Verification, Porn, and Spillover Effects
- Porn age‑check rules in the UK and elsewhere are reported to have slashed traffic to compliant sites, pushing users to non‑compliant or foreign sites; some official stats cited in the article are called “gaslighting” or misleading.
- Collateral damage: small forums (including non‑porn, self‑help, or niche communities) are shutting down or being threatened by Ofcom due to compliance burden and fear of fines; one Canadian depression forum case is highlighted.
- There’s concern that mandated “risk assessments” and “swift removal” effectively require AI‑based upload scanning and a new compliance industry.