Anna's Archive hit with $19.5M default judgment and global domain takedown order

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Jurisdiction & Global Reach

  • Many debate how a New York court can order domain takedowns worldwide.
  • Some call it “performance art,” but others note:
    • ICANN and root DNS are US-based, giving leverage even over country TLDs.
    • Mutual legal assistance treaties and trade agreements can pressure foreign entities.
    • Historic examples: pressure on Sweden over The Pirate Bay; Assange extradition.
  • Concerns that stronger enforcement (e.g., via RIPE, US transit providers) could fragment the global internet if IP ranges/ASNs become political tools.

Effectiveness of Takedowns

  • Consensus that new domains and mirrors will appear; compared to The Pirate Bay “hydra.”
  • DNS-focused injunctions break links (e.g., from Wikipedia) but don’t erase content.
  • Suggestions: Tor/onion services for stronger censorship resistance; prediction that enforcement may push AA in that direction.

AI Companies vs Shadow Libraries

  • Thread highlights that publishers cited AA as an AI training hub (Meta, NVIDIA).
  • AA reportedly offered high-speed bulk access for large donations; at least one major US AI company allegedly paid for it.
  • Contrast drawn with big AI firms:
    • They face lawsuits and large settlements, but keep domains and operations.
    • Argument that rich companies can “pay to proceed,” while AA operators risk prison and therefore avoid court.
  • Debate over legality:
    • Some say training is treated differently from distribution; AA directly distributes copies, AI companies mostly don’t.
    • Others argue models are effectively “IP laundromats” and should be retrained without infringing data.

Piracy, Authors, and Access

  • Sharp split:
    • One side: AA harms authors, publishers, booksellers, and even libraries; undermines future work.
    • Other side: AA provides vital access and preservation; law and current copyright terms (~life+decades) are seen as unjust.
  • Piracy framed by some as a “service problem”: if DRM-free, reasonably priced ebooks were easily available, demand for AA would drop.

Libraries, Digital Goods & Control

  • Discussion of how digital licensing breaks the traditional “first sale” model:
    • Libraries pay per-loan or time-limited licenses instead of owning ebooks.
    • Digital licenses are expensive; publishers keep control and can limit or stop lending.
  • Worries about centralized censorship: far easier to choke off access by not renewing digital licenses than by pulling physical books.
  • Some advocate personal archives and decentralized, censorship-resistant “shadow library” designs; others stress the broader social role of public libraries.