Americans think the American dream is dying

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Many commenters argue that what was once sold as the “American Dream” — home ownership, upward mobility from ordinary jobs, and a stable middle-class life — has eroded for younger generations, largely due to housing costs, student debt, and wage stagnation. Others counter that pathways to prosperity still exist, especially through STEM and tech careers, but concede that these routes are narrower, more competitive, and not scalable to everyone. The thread also links U.S. malaise to broader structural issues seen across Western countries, including restrictive housing policies, generational wealth gaps, and growing concern over whether government debt and economic policy are skewing benefits toward older and wealthier groups.

Definition and Status of the “American Dream”

  • Disagreement on what the dream means:
    • For some, it’s simply a realistic path to a stable middle‑class life (“enough is enough”).
    • Others see it as upward mobility from any starting point, which data on socioeconomic mobility allegedly contradicts.
  • Several argue the dream is either “dead” or has been dying for decades; others say clear paths still exist but are underused or unpleasant.
  • One view: the dream was always partially a myth used to legitimize an unequal system.

Individual Pathways vs Structural Barriers

  • Some insist a straightforward plan (do well in high school, study STEM at a known college, go into tech) has reliably produced six‑figure incomes for decades.
  • Critics respond:
    • This is idealistic, ignores scaling (not everyone can do it) and survivorship bias.
    • It excludes kids who lack support, money, or inclination toward STEM.
    • Even “success” routes may be undermined by future automation (e.g., AI replacing white‑collar work).
  • Broader point: hard work matters but only if applied to the right things; luck, support structures, and inherited advantages are major factors.

Housing and Generational Wealth

  • Housing is repeatedly cited as the core problem:
    • Purchase and rent costs have outpaced wages, especially in desirable cities.
    • Comparison to earlier eras: a single average wage once supported a family and house; this is now seen as unrealistic.
  • Similar affordability crises discussed in Australia, New Zealand, Canada, and parts of Europe.
  • Causes debated:
    • Supply constraints, zoning and regulation, NIMBY politics, low interest rates, immigration, and corporate/bulk ownership of single‑family homes.
    • US‑specific policies like the Faircloth Amendment limiting new federal public housing.
  • Concern over a dual society: those with homeowner parents vs those without.

Inequality, “Raising the Bottom,” and System Design

  • Many commenters emphasize raising the minimum standard of living (housing, healthcare, transport) rather than “squashing the top.”
  • Some argue society is reverting to a “landed gentry” dynamic; inheritance and property ownership increasingly dictate life chances.
  • There is disagreement over whether today is still significantly better than past eras or whether the gains are increasingly captured by a small elite.

Debt, Macroeconomics, and Future Generations

  • Worry that persistent trillion‑dollar deficits and rising interest burdens will harm future generations.
  • Others counter that sovereign‑currency debt differs from household debt; the quality of spending (“good vs bad debt”) matters more than raw totals.
  • Modern Monetary Theory–style arguments appear but are challenged as incomplete or unconvincing in this thread.
  • Some blame long‑term monetary policy (e.g., post‑1971 changes, low rates) for asset bubbles and housing inflation; others note similar problems across countries, implying broader structural or political issues.

Cultural and Historical Context

  • TV portrayals (1950s‑style single‑income suburban families vs unrealistic 1990s sitcom apartments) are used to illustrate how expectations and affordability have shifted.
  • Some note the earlier “golden age” for white middle‑class families was partly built on underpaid or excluded groups (women, minorities), complicating nostalgia.