Are electric cars too expensive to tempt motorists away from petrol vehicles?

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Electric vehicles are widely seen as too expensive and impractical for many drivers, especially compared to abundant, cheap used petrol cars and familiar fueling habits. Commenters point to high upfront prices, limited affordable second‑hand options, patchy charging infrastructure, software‑tied ownership concerns, and lifestyle constraints (e.g., lack of home charging, long rural trips) as major barriers, even when lifetime running costs can be competitive. Others argue that rapid battery innovation, cheaper Chinese models, better financing, and cleaner grids will eventually tip the economics in favor of EVs—but that moment has not yet arrived for most motorists.

Affordability and Total Cost of Ownership

  • Many argue EVs are still too expensive up front, especially compared to used ICE cars costing €3–5k or ~$2k–5k.
  • Some say lifetime TCO is approaching parity with mid‑range petrol cars, especially when electricity is cheap and home charging is available.
  • Others note higher insurance, faster depreciation worries, and “range anxiety” as non‑price costs.
  • Several commenters stress that for people keeping old, fully‑paid ICE cars alive, replacing them with a pricey EV is irrational.

Used Market and Financing Structures

  • A major barrier is the lack of cheap used EVs with batteries clearly far from end‑of‑life.
  • In the UK and elsewhere, PCP/leasing makes new EVs feel “affordable” via monthly payments comparable to ICE, but critics say this locks people into permanent high depreciation.
  • Some report very cheap EV leases in the US; others say these deals are fading.

Charging Infrastructure, Range, and Practicality

  • Home charging with a driveway/garage is seen as almost a requirement; apartment/street parking is a major pain point.
  • Experiences with long trips diverge: some report minimal added time when using robust fast‑charging networks; others describe journeys taking nearly twice as long, especially in winter or with unreliable chargers.
  • Concern that rural/regional areas still lack adequate coverage; rentals and cross‑country travel remain problematic for many.

Environmental Impact and Energy System

  • Supporters emphasize fossil fuel extraction and combustion dwarf battery‑mineral mining in scale, and batteries are potentially recyclable.
  • Skeptics highlight the environmental and social costs of lithium/copper mining, grid expansion, and the fact that many grids are still fossil‑heavy.
  • Debate over whether pushing EVs is premature before the grid is much greener.

Design, Driving Experience, and Use Cases

  • Some dislike EV aesthetics and touch‑heavy interfaces; others note many modern ICE cars share the same issues.
  • Many praise EVs for smooth, quiet, torquey driving and low routine maintenance.
  • Critics say low/mid‑tier EVs feel cheaper than price‑equivalent ICEs and can be less engaging to drive.
  • EVs are seen as poor fits for very high‑mileage drivers or those without stable charging; good for commuting and as a second car.

Policy, Taxation, and Grid Capacity

  • Worries that as petrol taxes decline, governments will hike electricity taxes or impose road‑usage charges; some argue overall public finances may still improve due to reduced fuel imports and health costs.
  • Some fear the grid cannot support large‑scale EV adoption; others counter that national demand could revert to early‑2000s levels and that renewables are rapidly scaling, though recent European price spikes show vulnerabilities.

Ownership, Software, and Repairability

  • Strong concerns that modern cars, especially EVs, are software‑locked, telemetry‑heavy, and hard to repair outside authorized channels.
  • One thread cites state regulations requiring certification to work on EVs and worries about remote bricking, subscription features, and privacy.
  • Others call these fears exaggerated and note common maintenance (brakes, tires, filters) remains DIY‑friendly, with no real‑world cases of owners jailed for working on their own EVs.

Urban Form and Alternatives to Cars

  • Multiple comments argue the deeper issue is car‑centric urban design; EVs don’t solve congestion and land‑use problems.
  • Biking, walking, and e‑cargo bikes are touted as viable for many short trips, especially with Dutch‑style infrastructure, but US‑style sprawl and safety issues limit this today.

Future Tech and Market Trajectory

  • Some are convinced ICE is doomed and EVs will soon be cheaper and more reliable as battery tech (e.g., LFP, sodium‑ion) improves and scales.
  • Others insist that predictions are speculative and that for decades many lower‑income drivers will keep old ICE vehicles running because upfront EV costs remain prohibitive.