Walmart buying TV-brand Vizio for its ad-fueling customer data

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Walmart’s planned acquisition of TV maker Vizio is prompting concern that “smart” TVs are increasingly being built as ad- and data-harvesting platforms rather than simple displays. Commenters cite Vizio’s past tracking practices and describe strategies to avoid surveillance, such as never connecting TVs to the internet, using external devices (Apple TV, consoles, PCs), or seeking out “dumb” displays and aftermarket boards. Many see the deal as part of a broader trend where hardware margins are so thin that manufacturers rely on targeted advertising and user profiling, raising calls for stronger privacy legislation and antitrust scrutiny.

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Ad-Driven TV Economics and Data Value

  • Many see Walmart’s interest in Vizio primarily as a data/ads play, not a hardware one.
  • Margins on TVs are described as so thin that profit must come from tracking and advertising.
  • Some worry smart TVs have become “telescreens,” with 1984-style surveillance vibes.
  • One idea: flood the market with data to make it less valuable; responses argue this would just make data cheaper and strengthen advertisers, not users.

Smart TV Privacy and Connectivity

  • Several users keep TVs completely offline and use them purely as monitors (HDMI only).
  • Others rely on Apple TV, PS5, Roku, Linux boxes, or Nvidia Shield for “smart” features instead of the built‑in OS.
  • Reports of TVs phoning home aggressively, generating lots of blocked requests on Pi-hole.
  • Concern that future TVs may include LTE/5G, making “just don’t connect it” ineffective; currently described as mostly a future risk.
  • Some anecdotes claim certain models auto-connect to open Wi‑Fi or lock features until Wi‑Fi is configured; others doubt this and call it an urban legend.

User Experience and Quality of Smart TVs

  • Multiple brands (Vizio, LG, Samsung, Sony, TCL) are criticized for:
    • Slow boot times, random reboots, OS crashes, bad UIs, persistent ads in menus.
    • Channel list bugs and instability in Android/Google TV implementations.
  • Counterexamples: a few report good experiences with recent LG or Sony sets, especially when used mainly as dumb displays with external boxes.

Workarounds and Alternatives

  • Strategies mentioned: router-level firewalls, Pi-hole, RS‑232 control on some LGs, “universal scaler” boards to strip smart features, projectors (ideally older, non-smart), and older or clearance “dumb” TVs.
  • Some suggest this niche is too small to influence manufacturers meaningfully.

Walmart Scale and Market Power

  • Debate over whether calling Walmart a “grocery chain” understates its size and diversification.
  • Concerns about superstores’ impact on small businesses, urban sprawl, and vertical integration.
  • Brief disagreement over the characterization of mergers vs. acquisitions, with pushback against overly abstract framing.

Apple, Android, and Remaining Privacy Frontier

  • Smart TVs are described as the “last bastion” for ad-tech as mobile platforms tighten privacy.
  • Mixed views on Apple’s privacy stance: some see it as best of a bad lot; others point to Apple’s growing ad ambitions.
  • Question raised (but not resolved) about whether Apple should make a full TV, not just Apple TV boxes.