Chickens in Trees

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Chickens’ instinct to roost in trees prompts people to reflect on how domestication, breed differences, and predator pressures have shaped their behavior compared to their wild junglefowl ancestors. Commenters share practical experiences from backyard flocks and feral populations—from tree-sleeping birds in towns and farms to the realities of predators, meat toughness, and cooking—highlighting how much common knowledge about chickens is wrong. The thread broadens into ethical and cultural questions around killing animals for food, contrasting factory farming with small-scale or traditional practices and noting how close contact with animals can change people’s attitudes toward eating them.

Wonder in Everyday Nature

  • Several comments reflect on how commonplace animals (like chickens in trees) reveal “miracles” people normally overlook.
  • Some see this as part of a broader mindset: the world is “teeming with wonders” if you pay attention.

Chicken Behavior and Biology

  • Chickens can roost in trees, swim, catch and eat mice or snakes, reinforcing the “mini-dinosaur” impression.
  • Tree-roosting varies by breed and environment:
    • Lighter, more “jungle fowl”-like or bantam breeds readily fly or climb into trees and shrubs.
    • Heavy industrial breeds are too large and fragile to do so safely and prefer low roosts or sheds.
  • Environmental pressures matter: foxes, raccoons, and cats encourage roosting off the ground; safe coops reduce the need to roost in trees.
  • Some note that in the tropics and parks (e.g., red junglefowl), chickens freely fly up and roost in trees.

Feral Chickens and Other Tree-Climbers

  • Stories from Hawaii, Brazil, the UK, Florida, Puerto Rico, and elsewhere describe feral or town chickens roosting in trees, sometimes becoming mascots or nuisances.
  • Comparisons to tree-climbing goats (notably in argan trees) highlight similar human fascination; some tourism practices around goats are called out as staged.

Eating Feral or Older Birds

  • Multiple accounts say feral or older free-ranging chickens are very tough:
    • Best suited to long braising, soups, or coq au vin with extended cooking.
    • Some locals reportedly avoid eating feral chickens altogether.
  • Concerns about higher parasite load are mentioned but not deeply evidenced in-thread.

Ethics of Meat, Slaughter, and Vegetarianism

  • One poster describes becoming emotionally attached to backyard chickens, losing appetite for chicken meat, and deep grief over predator losses.
  • Others counter that in many rural cultures, slaughtering livestock is routine and emotionally manageable.
  • Debate covers:
    • Whether more people would become vegetarian if they had to kill animals themselves.
    • Historical meat consumption (less frequent vs. daily).
    • Cultural traditions of vegetarianism (e.g., in parts of South Asia) vs. hunting heritage.
    • Factory farming widely criticized as unethical and producing lower-quality meat.
    • Claims that vegetarianism harms health and increases chronic disease risk are made; others challenge this and provide contrary anecdotes; evidence remains unclear in-thread.
    • Side discussion about whether “artificial” selection is still “natural,” and whether that matters ethically.

Backyard Chicken Keeping & Infrastructure

  • Many keep small flocks for eggs and companionship, describing chickens as intelligent, manipulative, dignified, and entertaining.
  • Tension appears between viewing chickens as livestock vs pets, especially as birds age or get sick (e.g., costly hormone implants for high-production layers).
  • Predator losses (foxes, raccoons, mountain lions) are common despite substantial investments:
    • One person reports a very expensive, heavily fortified run still defeated by a mountain lion.
    • Others build more modest coops and improve them over time for compost integration and aesthetics.

Technology and Commercial Products

  • A company offers smart-coop hardware with cameras and computer vision for predator detection and alerts.
  • Interest is expressed, but some balk at ongoing subscription fees for “intelligence” features.

Predators and Population Management

  • Chickens roost in trees partly to avoid nocturnal ground predators, but then risk owl predation (e.g., owls sidling birds off branches).
  • Other anecdotes: feral cats killing ducklings; snapping turtles preying on ducklings; advice to remove feral cats to protect waterfowl.
  • Non-lethal deterrence stories (e.g., rock salt shotgun loads, coal dust marking) surface in a semi-humorous, folkloric context.

Cultural and Humorous Asides

  • Multiple references to a Sesame Street song about “chickens in the trees” and other pop-culture links (Doctor Who’s Weeping Angels, a comedic “chicken” talk/paper, a headless chicken story).
  • Some commenters reflect on how direct contact with animals (including butchering or hunting) changes one’s relationship to food, for better or worse.