US has the highest rate of maternal deaths among rich nations. Norway has zero

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Healthcare system & policy proposals

  • Many argue the core US problem is lack of universal, predictable care: call for single‑payer, decriminalization of miscarriage/abortion, timely treatment (e.g., sepsis), structured prenatal pathways, easy access to education, low‑bar sick leave, and paid maternity leave.
  • “Baby boxes” (supply kits) are seen as marginal “icing on the cake” compared with a robust system; Nordic experience cited as emphasizing organized care, not boxes alone.

Medicaid coverage debate

  • One side: pregnant women qualify for Medicaid in all states; pregnancy and pediatric services are said to be fully covered with negligible out‑of‑pocket costs, and Medicaid finances ~50% of US births.
  • Counterpoints: coverage is described as patchy and state‑dependent, with income limits, poor provider participation, stigma, and inconsistent access to non‑emergency prenatal/postnatal care; some call Medicaid “trash,” others say it’s generous, even better than many European systems.
  • Disagreement remains on how comprehensive and practically accessible Medicaid coverage is in real life.

Data quality, definitions & comparability

  • Several comments highlight a 2003 change adding a pregnancy checkbox on death certificates; papers cited suggest much of the apparent rise in US maternal mortality since then is measurement, not real increase.
  • Others stress this doesn’t explain the large gap vs. Norway/Europe, especially given CDC findings that ~80% of US pregnancy‑related deaths are preventable.
  • Debate over definitions: claims that US counts all deaths while pregnant (including homicide, unrelated causes) vs. OECD/WHO standard focusing on pregnancy‑related causes. Concern that differences may make cross‑country comparisons “apples to pears.”
  • Some emphasize that Norwegian and other OECD data/methods are largely standardized and accessible in English; others stress the difficulty of truly understanding foreign statistical systems.

Obesity and lifestyle factors

  • US obesity (≈42%) vs. Norway (≈14%) is repeatedly cited as a major contributor to higher mortality and health costs.
  • Proposed responses range from massive deployment of weight‑loss drugs (e.g., GLP‑1 agonists) via emergency powers, to structural changes: walkable cities, less car dependence, food regulation, sugar taxes, and exercise culture.
  • There is tension between “drug‑first” medicalization and calls to address root causes in food systems, urban design, and social norms.

Inequality, culture & politics

  • Strong criticism of US “personal responsibility” and social‑Darwinist narratives that blame poor or sick individuals, seen as undermining support for safety nets.
  • Noted that US public health spending per capita (including public programs) is already very high, yet outcomes (life expectancy, infant/maternal mortality) lag, suggesting misallocation, profit‑orientation, and systemic inefficiency.
  • Racial and socioeconomic disparities highlighted: Black maternal mortality is far higher than White, and discriminatory care is mentioned as a key factor.

Norway’s “zero deaths” claim

  • Some doubt literal “zero” deaths; clarification that figures are per 100,000 births, and with ~50,000 births/year, a zero‑death year is statistically plausible in a small, low‑fertility country.
  • Overall consensus that even allowing for measurement artifacts, the US remains an outlier among rich nations.