Missiles are now the biggest killer of airline passengers

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Missiles and air-defense systems have emerged as a leading cause of airline passenger deaths in recent years, overtaking traditional accident categories like mechanical failure or pilot error on some timelines. Commenters examine high-profile shootdowns involving Russia, Iran, the US and others, debating how misidentification, poor training, open airspace over warzones, and political decisions combine to create these risks. At the same time, they note that commercial aviation remains extraordinarily safe overall, with modern aircraft design and procedures making deliberate or accidental attacks the main residual threat in certain regions.

Scope of the risk: missiles vs other causes

  • Several commenters accept the article’s core claim that missile shootdowns have become a leading cause of modern airliner deaths, especially since 2014 (MH17, PS752, recent Russian‑linked incidents).
  • Others question whether missiles truly “dominate” fatalities versus loss-of-control, CFIT, or design/maintenance failures (e.g., 737 MAX), noting manufacturer stats that still rank pilot/operational issues highest.
  • Some note that counting rules (e.g., excluding deliberate acts) affect which category appears largest.

History of state shootdowns and responsibility

  • Multiple examples cited: USSR/Russia-linked shootdowns (KAL 902/007, MH17, Sibir 1812, others), US shootdown of Iran Air 655, Iranian shootdown of PS752, Ukrainian S‑200 incident over the Black Sea.
  • Debate over “partial responsibility” chains: some argue the US indirectly set conditions for PS752 via Soleimani’s killing; others say this dilutes clear blame for those who actually fired.
  • Long back-and-forth on whether modern Russia should be treated as continuous with the USSR, given legal succession, UN seat, debt, and enduring imperial patterns.

Current Azerbaijan Embraer shootdown discussion

  • Many commenters treat this as almost certainly a Russian air-defense error, citing:
    • Damage patterns similar to other SAM incidents.
    • Azerbaijan’s “external technical influence” wording.
    • Reports of multiple external explosions, shrapnel wounds, and GPS jamming during a drone attack.
  • Others stress remaining uncertainties:
    • Confusing early evidence (some holes petaling outward, long post‑hit flight).
    • Possibility of cannon vs missile vs nearby drone kill.
    • One camp urges waiting for final joint investigation; another predicts a whitewash based on Russia’s past denials.

Air-defense, drones, and identification challenges

  • Long subthread on why militaries are cautious about shooting down “unknown” drones over domestic territory:
    • High risk of hitting civilian aircraft, property, or revealing capabilities; plus legal constraints (Posse Comitatus, civil aviation law).
    • Many “mystery drones” likely misidentified airliners, lidar survey planes, or even stars; commenters see significant public hysteria.
  • Technical discussion:
    • Distinguishing cruise missiles, drones, and airliners via speed, trajectory, and radar returns is nontrivial, especially with old systems and stressed crews.
    • IFF, encrypted spread-spectrum comms, AWACS queries, and low‑probability‑of‑intercept techniques are mentioned, but no system is foolproof.
    • GPS jamming around conflict zones can push aircraft off planned routes and degrade both navigation and identification.

Policy, airspace management, and passenger choices

  • Many argue the core systemic failure is keeping civilian airspace open near active missile/drone operations; Ukraine’s full closure is cited as a counterexample.
  • Others note that airlines sometimes still route over or near warzones for cost and range reasons; some passengers now explicitly avoid flights crossing Russia/Iran, while others consider this unrealistic for “normal” travelers.

Aircraft design and survivability

  • Embraer E‑jets receive praise for robust design and safety record; this crash’s extended survivability is seen as impressive.
  • Comparisons are made (implicitly unfavorable) to Boeing’s recent safety record.
  • Historical cases like United 232 are referenced to show that severely damaged jets can sometimes remain controllable for extended periods.