How and Why I Stopped Buying New Laptops (2020)

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Longevity of Older Laptops

  • Many commenters still use 2010–2017 laptops (notably 2015-era models) and expect 8–10+ years of life with SSD and RAM upgrades.
  • Main pain points: battery replacement (sometimes no official batteries), OS support ending, and modern software not being optimized for older hardware.
  • Some feel older business laptops (ThinkPads, Latitudes, Fujitsu “pro” lines) are sturdier, more repairable, and have better keyboards than modern thin-and-light machines.

Performance, Efficiency, and New Platforms

  • Apple Silicon and similar low-power platforms are praised for huge battery life, cool/quiet operation, and good trackpads; some say that alone justifies upgrading.
  • Others argue x86 efficiency (Intel Lunar Lake, AMD laptops) has improved enough to narrow the gap, especially for gaming and GPU-heavy workloads.
  • There’s tension between “my old quad-core is fine for web/office/dev” and “new CPUs/GPUs massively outperform for 4K, 3D, AI, and video editing.”

Repairability vs. Convenience (Framework, ThinkPad, etc.)

  • Strong support for modular/repairable laptops: replaceable keyboards, SSDs, RAM, and batteries are seen as key to long lifespans.
  • Framework is praised for repairability but criticized for higher price, lower battery life, more heat/noise, and weaker GPU options versus mainstream or Apple laptops.
  • Some accept soldered RAM (if high enough) but strongly reject soldered SSDs, mainly for data-recovery reasons; others prioritize long battery life and low weight over replaceability.

Used/Refurb Market and Economics

  • Many report excellent value from refurb Dells, ThinkPads, and HPs for a fraction of new prices, especially once HDDs are swapped for SSDs.
  • Others avoid used laptops due to limited remaining lifespan, cosmetic damage, poor batteries, or past bad experiences.
  • Anticipated Windows 10 end-of-support may create a “glut” of used machines; disagreement on whether this will meaningfully boost desktop Linux adoption.

OS Choices, Bloat, and Workloads

  • A recurring theme: hardware is “ridiculously powerful,” but heavy software (especially web/JavaScript) erases gains.
  • Strategy suggested: run lightweight Linux/BSD, avoid “newer, more demanding software,” and extend hardware life.
  • Some workloads (Qubes OS, multiple VMs, GPU AI, advanced network routing) are cited as legitimately requiring modern, high-end laptops.

Cloud, Backup, and Storage Practices

  • Debate over cloud-sync vs local SD/SSD: cloud works well in high-bandwidth regions, but travelers and users with expensive/slow connectivity see it as unreliable or costly for full restores.
  • Discussion emphasizes: backups are essential, but replaceable SSDs add an extra recovery path that backups alone don’t fully cover.