Signal to leave Sweden if backdoor law passes
Military and national security views
- Commenters highlight that Sweden’s armed forces formally oppose the backdoor proposal, explicitly warning it would introduce exploitable vulnerabilities.
- The military has recently encouraged staff to use Signal for non-classified communication to reduce interception risk; a backdoor would undermine that.
- Some debate whether it’s wise for a military to rely on a foreign-hosted messaging app, but others note it’s only for routine, non-secret traffic and a complement to existing military systems.
- Parallel is drawn to TOR and SELinux originating in military/intelligence contexts, illustrating that modern armed forces often prefer strong encryption for their own security.
Backdoors, crime, and “think of the children”
- Supporters of tougher laws cite Sweden’s serious gang violence and “crime as a service,” often organized via encrypted apps, and argue backdoors are needed to reach organizers.
- Opponents respond that criminals will simply migrate to other channels, while the backdoor remains as a permanent mass-surveillance and espionage risk.
- Several insist “backdoor for good guys only” is technically impossible; any weakness will be discovered and abused by hostile states or criminals.
- Distinction is made between targeted warrants (reading diaries, intercepting specific lines) and scalable, automated surveillance of everybody by default.
European politics and surveillance trend
- Many see this as part of a broader European shift: chat control proposals, France’s “Narcotrafic” amendment, Denmark’s blasphemy laws, etc., framed as anti-terror/child-protection but eroding privacy and other rights.
- Explanations offered include: technological ignorance of bureaucrats, desire for population control, fear of terrorism and social fragmentation, lobbying by a “surveillance-industrial complex,” and influence from Five Eyes partners.
- A minority express trust in Scandinavian governments and even support scanning systems for child pornography, while acknowledging technical challenges.
Centralization, open source, and alternatives
- Centralized services like Signal are seen as uniquely vulnerable: one legal lever (servers + app stores) can compromise everyone; updates to closed mobile clients are a single point of failure.
- Free software and decentralization (XMPP/Prosody, Matrix, Jami, Briar, SimpleX, home-hosted “server under the stairs”) are proposed as more resilient against state pressure but acknowledged as niche and less user-friendly, especially on mobile.
- Some criticize Signal’s own governance (e.g., MobileCoin episode, non-reproducible builds) as “trust us” security, though others still see it as one of the best practical options.
Corporate reactions and jurisdiction
- Signal’s stated willingness to leave Sweden is contrasted with Apple’s partial retreat on UK iCloud features and Google’s exit from China.
- Debate centers on whether companies “can” defy laws at real scale, given boards, shareholders, and local enforcement.
- For Signal specifically, commenters argue Sweden’s practical tools are app-store pressure, ISP blocking, and potential legal risks to staff traveling in cooperating countries, rather than direct fines on a US non-profit with no local presence.