The FCC wants your ID before you get a phone number

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Privacy vs. Spam/Fraud Tradeoff

  • Some see ID-for-numbers as a reasonable step to reduce phone fraud, especially targeting the elderly and small businesses overwhelmed by spam calls.
  • Others argue this is a false tradeoff: spam may not decrease meaningfully, while anonymity and privacy are irreversibly harmed.
  • A few commenters explicitly state they’d accept the ID requirement if it measurably cut spam, but others criticize this as “privacy doomerism” leading to passive acceptance of surveillance.

Effectiveness Against Robocalls

  • Many doubt the rule will curb spam, noting:
    • Caller ID can be spoofed and spam call centers rotate numbers.
    • Countries with mandatory SIM ID (EU, Australia) still report heavy spam.
  • Suggested more effective measures: stopping spoofing, enforcing verifiable caller identity, tying responsibility to business caller IDs, and using existing network-level identifiers (ANI/DNIS) more broadly.

Anonymity, Surveillance, and Political Concerns

  • Strong concern that this primarily serves to tightly link phone numbers to real identities to feed surveillance and data-mining systems.
  • Seen as part of a broader trend: ID for social media, adult content, online access, OS-level verification, and “binding” accounts to identity (with China cited as precedent).
  • Several argue the US is moving toward a panopticon; existing constitutional protections (Fourth Amendment) are seen as inadequate or poorly enforced.
  • Some advocate political solutions (new case law or amendments); others doubt any rollback is realistic and suggest preparing for offline, low-tech communication.

Impact on Vulnerable and Marginalized Groups

  • Domestic abuse victims: concern that abusers could withhold IDs to block phone access.
  • Minors: questions about whether children can or should have independent numbers; some propose tying child phones to parents’ IDs.
  • Poor and undocumented: practical barriers to obtaining IDs and underlying documents (birth certificates, secondary documentation, time and cost burdens).

Existing ID Norms and International Experience

  • Debate over how necessary ID already is in the US for jobs, housing, banking, medical care, and utilities; some say it’s already universal, others report functioning largely without it (sometimes historically).
  • EU and Australian experiences show ID-for-SIM is standard, but commenters do not perceive a corresponding reduction in spam.

Alternative Ideas and Workarounds

  • Suggestions include:
    • Economic disincentives (per-call fees) that make large-scale robocalling uneconomical.
    • Stronger caller authentication frameworks.
    • Private or anonymous messaging alternatives (e.g., non-phone-number-based messengers, Tor-based setups), acknowledging tradeoffs in usability and threat model.